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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> There seems no interest in even a basic
> understanding of these events though. If this ALC
> did exist wouldn't one want to know which possible
> candidates may have wiped them out? Catastrophism
> certainly has its place in the grand scheme of the
> development of civilization which for me the 8.2
> kiloyear event of c. 6,000BC and resulting several
> disasters that followed it as a direct result is
> overwhelming evidence of such a point in history
> that fits exactly with the archeological record.
> Yeah, this was but one of many such cataclysms but
> its dovetail with historical events and ancient
> texts seems to make it the most relevant as it
> pertains to the rise of civilization.

It may pertain to the rise of civilization as we know it today. But it does not fit with the physical and geological evidence of times beyond 6,000bc.

> I am familiar with Velikovsky by way of osmosis,
> but for some reason never had any interest to read
> any of his books. I should get a copy of Worlds In
> Collision.

I would recommend 'Earth in Upheaval' instead. It is strictly about the physical evidence. 'Worlds in collision' is about the ancient records and comets.

> Given the near universal similarities of these
> tales it seems obvious to me it was not the
> “flood” that travelled around the world, but
> rather the story itself. A story with a common
> origin spread around the globe, retold and
> culturally adapted across the millennium from one
> culture to the next, which despite the change of
> details and actors the basic story remained the
> same. Therefore, it should be considered
> reasonable then it was not a flood of the “whole
> world”, but rather the "known world" of the
> original storytellers. This is why the 8.2
> kiloyear event and the subsequent consequences
> that directly followed which radically affected
> specifically the greater Mediterranean world c.
> 6,000BC fits so nicely. Not just archaeologically,
> but also textually in that it happened at a time
> still within human memory. They say after this
> event kingship was lowered to man by the gods and
> after the civilization of men begins which is
> exactly what start to happen in the 6th
> millennium. Makes sense to me.

Then you would be talking about a local flood. One of Velikovsky's arguments for giving serious consideration to myth is the nature of a myth. Local floods are not a rare event, they recur and in the lifetime of the villager he will have heard of or witnessed a couple of local floods. In 1889 the South Fork Dam in Pennsylvania burst flooding a town. It is almost forgotten now. The story didn't grow to flooding the entire state let alone a continent. V argues, as would be expected from a psychiatrist, that only an extremely unusual event that changed life in drastic ways would be worth remembering and retelling. Otherwise the event would be just another one similar to others in neighboring villages and not the stuff of legends. Will I pass on to my grandchildren the story of this last 7.8 earthquake in Ecuador? No, it's not much different than the other quakes in my lifetime. Now if I survive a cosmic impact, THAT would be a big deal.

The events of the myths do not speak of a local flood. It is not just a river overflowing, a glacial dam cracking, or torrential rain. From the Chippewa, Gilgamesh, and New Zealand, the water covered the mountain tops. In Australia only the highest peaks were visible. Alaska saw a falling star, a ball of fire that made a splash all the way to space when it hit water, New Zealand saw waves steep as cliffs, and the Maya say waves splashed to the sky. Australia saw a great bright burning blue star traveling fast and hissing, the glare dazzled, it's impact was an explosion that roared with a deafening sound. High winds, fire raining from the sky, black skies without a sun or days that didn't see the sun set. This was much more than a local flood . And these are not simple flood myths.

There are tales of accompanying hurricanes, some stories describle the water as "swelling" or "rising" to cover the mountains, sometimes with rain and sometimes not with rain. Lakes and rivers boiled, the earth burned with great fires. The Apache report the rushing flood changed the plains to mountains. And the Hopi are very explicit about the Creator......
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he ordered Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya to abandon their posts at the poles, and soon the world spun out of control and rolled over. Mountains slid and fell, and lakes and rivers splashed across the land as the earth tumbled, and finally the earth froze over into nothing but ice.
A local flood would not cause the devastation and death as told by the myths. Nor would it explain the new evidence.
But a comet impact would. Firestone et al present evidence of a cosmic impacts 13,000 YA, the last event in a 3 phase cataclysm that began with a supernova explosion 41,000 YA appearing as a second sun in the sky. V would ask - are there myths of two suns in the sky? Well yes there are.
The second phase was a shock wave that reached earth 34,000 YA. The last phase 13,000 YA sent multiple comet like objects into the northern hemisphere. These events would cause everything in the myths, and more. With hurricane winds @1000mph, heat to set the world on fire, tsunamis that bounced from coast to coast with waves 100's of feet high, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, radiation surge, not much would survive..... except stone. It is no wonder there are no artifacts from a lost civilization as it would have been obliterated. All we would have left is the geological evidence, and stone.

Anyways, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I put more stock in K40 surges, C14 waves, black mats, extinctions, nanodiamonds, elevated uranium levels and all the other stuff (that's technical talk). The hard evidence doesn't begin circa 6,000 bc, it begins much later.

> Very interesting. Drrt. How many times have I seen
> this at the beach but never thought about it.
> That's what I'm talking about regarding
> possibilities of ancient stone work. Not that they
> used mollusks, but something like that.

Exactly what I'm wondering.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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