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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> There does not appear to be. Many of the the
> blocks for the Sphinx and Valley Temples were
> taken from the enclosure ergo they would be as old
> as the enclosure and the rock formation. The
> Sphinx temple actually sits inside the excavated
> area congruous with the "floor" of the Sphinx
> enclosure:

> Which was extended in front of the causeway to to
> accommodate the Valley Temple:

>
> The more I look at the enclosure the more I have
> to wonder what it is we are really seeing here.
> Why would this leading edge behind the rump not be
> aesthetically shaped:

> Not to mention as I have already noted the
> enclosure walls do not appear to be the walls of a
> quarry nor even what one would expect from an
> enclosure wall:

>
> The massive blocks at the front of the Sphinx
> temple with granite facing:

> Why are they so high?
>
> If this were all built as one structure, why is
> the granite temple so far recessed below the
> height of the other blocks:

>
> The granite temple and facing blocks are asserted
> by some, including myself, to be later additions
> which looking at it from this vantage point it
> further appears the granite was later added within
> the dead carcass of a much earlier structure. What
> is the point of building the walls so
> unnecessarily higher just to obscure the temple
> within? Why such massive blocks on the front of
> the temple?
>
> A thought I am mulling around is that the harbor
> is right in front of the Sphinx. Did the Sphinx
> enclosure and associated temples once serve as an
> even earlier harbor or water feature of sorts when
> the Nile was larger? The Sphinx temple is made of
> much smaller blocks and is basically a hack job
> compared to the Valley Temple. I wonder if it was
> originally not there and made at a later time from
> recycled blocks which would have left this
> "channel" open to the Sphinx enclosure straight
> from the Nile.
>
> Sphinx Temple:

>
> Compare to the Valley Temple.
>
> > I think it's certainly
> > possible that it wasn't shaped into an animal
> > until Dynastic Egypt, but I have no reason to
> > doubt that the Enclosure and rock mound weren't
> > formed way before the Dynastic era.

To follow up with this line of thought, regarding the terrace the temples were built on Lehner says:
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This broad terrace was cut for a reason and since there is no archaeological evidence of earlier structures, we conclude that the two Khafre temples were built as part of the same program. Archaeological evidence supports the idea that the Valley Temple was built before the Sphinx Temple.

(All emphasis mine).

Above I make note:
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The Sphinx temple is made of much smaller blocks and is basically a hack job compared to the Valley Temple. I wonder if it was originally not there and made at a later time from recycled blocks which would have left this "channel" open to the Sphinx enclosure straight from the Nile.

Apparently I am not alone in thinking the Sphinx Temple was built later than the Valley Temple.

Terrace:


Also of interest in this regard is the causeway drainage channel which Lehner says:
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Khafre’s builders cut a drainage channel along the north side of the eastern end of the pyramid causeway. The channel opens into the upper southwest corner of the Sphinx quarry. They would not have cut a channel that drained water into the Sphinx enclosure ditch so the channel must have had a function that predated and was made obsolete by the quarrying of the Sphinx enclosure.

More than one thousand years after the Sphinx was created, Thutmosis IV cleared the sand away from the monument and established the cult of Hor-em-akhet, or “Horus in the Horizon.” Today you can see mud brick from Thutmosis IV’s enclosure wall blocking the drainage channel.

Causeway drainage channel:


Lehner makes note they would not have cut a channel that drained directly into the Sphinx enclosure therefore he concludes it must have had a function that predated and was obsolete by the time of the quarrying of the Sphinx enclosure. He makes this assumption for no other reason that it would make no sense for this ditch to drain into the enclosure which housed the Sphinx, which I agree, it would not. This also assumes the Sphinx was a statue at this time which as I hypothesize above it may well not have been and that at this time the Sphinx temple, which he agrees was built sometime after the Valley temple, was not there yet in front of the Sphinx. Therefore the channel would have drained into the Sphinx enclosure and dumped into what I suggest may have been part of the original harbor which the Sphinx itself at that time was just an outcrop, maybe even a dock of some kind. And it was only at a time when the Nile had receded and the Sphinx enclosure drained that the Sphinx temple was built and the outcrop/dock carved into a statue of which the temple now serviced.

Also to be considered is that the amount of water to be drained through this channel was sufficient enough it required a dedicated channel cut in the first place which would dump the outflow one way or another back into the Nile. What does this mean?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 14-Feb-16 22:05 by Thanos5150.

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age of the Sphinx 4898 Open mind 24-Nov-15 13:54
Re: age of the Sphinx 1235 Jon Ellison 24-Nov-15 18:34
Re: age of the Sphinx 1138 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Nov-15 00:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 1030 Open mind 25-Nov-15 04:20
Re: age of the Sphinx 913 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-15 14:53
Re: age of the Sphinx 966 Open mind 25-Nov-15 04:43
Re: age of the Sphinx 890 Origyptian 22-Dec-15 18:05
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 1121 laughin 19-Dec-15 15:34
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 870 Harte 24-Dec-15 01:01
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 798 Corpuscles 24-Dec-15 01:39
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 909 Harte 24-Dec-15 14:32
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 769 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 14:49
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 886 Audrey 25-Dec-15 23:39
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 802 Harte 26-Dec-15 00:21
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 702 Audrey 26-Dec-15 01:44
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 752 Origyptian 26-Dec-15 02:40
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 766 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 06:17
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 924 Harte 24-Dec-15 14:37
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 769 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 14:56
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 742 Harte 24-Dec-15 17:23
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 771 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 18:23
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 765 Harte 24-Dec-15 22:51
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 691 Origyptian 25-Dec-15 18:11
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 801 Harte 25-Dec-15 20:19
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 727 Origyptian 26-Dec-15 02:50
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 756 Harte 26-Dec-15 21:45
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 709 Ulrich 23-Jan-16 18:02
Re: age of the Sphinx 879 Mdsign 29-Dec-15 12:01
Re: age of the Sphinx 812 SandyJesse 06-Jan-16 00:59
Re: age of the Sphinx 924 Harte 09-Jan-16 20:43
Re: age of the Sphinx 820 Mdsign 11-Jan-16 10:19
Re: age of the Sphinx 863 SandyJesse 12-Jan-16 23:49
Re: age of the Sphinx 786 Merrell 11-Jan-16 12:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 600 Harte 23-Jan-16 17:19
Re: age of the Sphinx 689 Mdsign 24-Jan-16 16:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 703 Harte 24-Jan-16 22:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 725 Mdsign 25-Jan-16 10:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 616 Origyptian 25-Jan-16 13:45
it is a dog 737 Juha 25-Jan-16 14:50
Re: it is a dog 855 Thanos5150 25-Jan-16 16:37
Re: it is a dog 747 Harte 26-Jan-16 02:14
Re: it is a dog 688 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 02:35
its leo everywhere 707 Mdsign 26-Jan-16 10:20
Assyrian sphinx is bull 974 Juha 26-Jan-16 12:56
Re: Assyrian sphinx is bull 765 Mdsign 26-Jan-16 13:01
Re: Assyrian sphinx is bull 602 Origyptian 26-Jan-16 14:29
Re: it is a dog 826 Harte 26-Jan-16 11:01
Re: it is a dog 653 Jon Ellison 26-Jan-16 12:18
Re: it is a dog 643 Origyptian 26-Jan-16 14:41
Re: it is a dog 727 Jon Ellison 26-Jan-16 17:10
Re: it is a dog 693 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 23:31
Re: it is a dog 750 Harte 27-Jan-16 01:08
Re: it is a dog 862 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 05:49
Re: it is a dog 702 Harte 27-Jan-16 11:12
Re: it is a dog 525 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 18:21
Re: it is a dog 592 DUNE 27-Jan-16 18:32
Dogleg 754 Dr. Troglodyte 27-Jan-16 19:07
Re: Dogleg 815 Thanos5150 28-Jan-16 00:26
Re: it is a dog 645 Origyptian 27-Jan-16 14:24
Re: it is a dog 641 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 11:06
Re: it is a dog 644 Harte 27-Jan-16 11:17
Re: it is a dog 542 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 11:22
Re: it is a dog 731 Audrey 27-Jan-16 04:42
Re: it is a dog 624 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 04:53
Re: it is a dog 594 Audrey 27-Jan-16 06:20
Re: it is a dog 643 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 19:15
Re: it is a dog 888 Audrey 28-Jan-16 01:55
Re: it is a dog 771 Thanos5150 28-Jan-16 20:24
Re: it is a dog 955 Audrey 29-Jan-16 03:14
Re: it is a dog 581 Juha 29-Jan-16 08:23
Re: it is a dog 561 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 09:30
Re: it is a dog 631 Juha 29-Jan-16 11:01
Re: it is a dog 676 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 11:57
Re: it is a dog 639 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 13:30
Age of Pyramids 647 Juha 29-Jan-16 17:07
Re: Age of Pyramids 537 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 17:42
Re: Age of Pyramids 594 Juha 29-Jan-16 18:29
Re: Age of Pyramids 596 Jon Ellison 29-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Age of Pyramids 508 Juha 29-Jan-16 21:19
Re: Age of Pyramids 616 Jon Ellison 29-Jan-16 21:50
Re: Age of Pyramids 696 Audrey 30-Jan-16 06:46
Re: Age of Pyramids 601 brett z 30-Jan-16 13:14
Re: Age of Pyramids 649 Jon Ellison 30-Jan-16 17:58
Straight lines 614 randompHactor 30-Jan-16 18:15
Re: Age of Pyramids 603 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 18:49
Re: Age of Pyramids 650 Juha 29-Jan-16 21:43
Re: it is a dog 545 Audrey 29-Jan-16 17:58
Re: it is a dog 685 Juha 29-Jan-16 22:39
Re: it is a dog 889 Thanos5150 29-Jan-16 22:37
Re: it is a dog 589 Audrey 30-Jan-16 06:21
Re: it is a dog 650 Thanos5150 30-Jan-16 06:56
Re: it is a dog 494 Audrey 30-Jan-16 07:15
Re: it is a dog 634 Origyptian 30-Jan-16 07:30
Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 735 Thanos5150 30-Jan-16 21:35
Re: it is a dog 776 cladking 30-Jan-16 21:52
Re: it is a dog 775 Thanos5150 31-Jan-16 02:15
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 2148 Thanos5150 14-Feb-16 21:54
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 724 DUNE 14-Feb-16 23:45
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 684 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 00:12
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 724 Audrey 15-Feb-16 03:17
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 712 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 03:51
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 642 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 00:54
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 796 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 03:02
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 768 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 06:54
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 676 DUNE 15-Feb-16 10:38
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 600 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 11:41
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 619 Jon Ellison 15-Feb-16 13:46
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 603 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 16:09
Re: Nile and harbor management 716 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 16:31
Re:Ancient Nile elevations 684 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 22:59
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 933 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 23:41
Re: it is a dog 639 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 10:03
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 839 Thunderbird 26-Jan-16 03:45
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 1031 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 04:41
Re: The Akhet (Inundation) and ANPU 697 Thunderbird 26-Jan-16 15:05
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 688 Mdsign 27-Jan-16 09:57
Re: age of the Sphinx 868 Audrey 26-Jan-16 05:21
back to the time period question 753 Mdsign 27-Jan-16 13:12
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 756 DUNE 27-Jan-16 12:01
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 646 Spiros 27-Jan-16 13:11
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 685 Spiros 27-Jan-16 13:53
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 710 cladking 27-Jan-16 15:42
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 562 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 539 cladking 27-Jan-16 20:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 628 Harte 29-Jan-16 19:24
Re: age of the Sphinx 572 randompHactor 29-Jan-16 19:32
Re: age of the Sphinx 587 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 19:39
Re: age of the Sphinx 860 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 17:52
Re: age of the Sphinx 638 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 18:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 694 Martin Stower 19-Feb-16 17:53
Re: age of the Sphinx 569 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 18:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 860 Martin Stower 19-Feb-16 20:23
Re: age of the Sphinx 634 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 18:22
Re: age of the Sphinx 626 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 18:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 681 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 19:21
Re: age of the Sphinx 584 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 19:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 656 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 21:27
Re: age of the Sphinx 669 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 22:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 629 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 22:34
Re: age of the Sphinx 611 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 23:09
Re: age of the Sphinx 580 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 19:45
Re: age of the Sphinx 792 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 20:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 558 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 22:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 613 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 23:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 736 Audrey 16-Feb-16 23:44
Re: age of the Sphinx 675 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 14:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 611 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 676 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:31
Re: age of the Sphinx 692 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:58
Re: age of the Sphinx 575 Audrey 16-Feb-16 23:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 659 Harte 17-Feb-16 11:24
Re: age of the Sphinx 640 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:13
Re: age of the Sphinx 596 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: age of the Sphinx 577 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:54
Re: age of the Sphinx 610 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 16:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 635 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 16:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 571 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 17:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 602 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 23:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 599 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 23:58
Re: age of the Sphinx 491 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 00:10
Re: age of the Sphinx 664 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 00:15
Re: age of the Sphinx 568 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 01:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 700 Harte 17-Feb-16 23:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 606 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:50
Re: age of the Sphinx 631 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 14:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 586 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:47
Re: age of the Sphinx 540 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 16:42
Re: age of the Sphinx 501 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 16:49
Re: age of the Sphinx 704 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 17:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 605 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 17:10
Re: age of the Sphinx 590 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 23:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 512 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 00:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 640 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 00:22
Re: age of the Sphinx 600 Harte 17-Feb-16 23:59
Re: age of the Sphinx 587 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 01:14
Re: age of the Sphinx 547 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 22:51
Re: age of the Sphinx 585 Audrey 15-Feb-16 23:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 538 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 00:25
Re: age of the Sphinx 529 Audrey 16-Feb-16 01:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 604 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 02:50
Re: age of the Sphinx 585 Audrey 16-Feb-16 03:05
Re: age of the Sphinx 586 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 15:06
Re: age of the Sphinx 660 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 00:20
Re: age of the Sphinx 562 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 00:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 618 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 00:44
Re: age of the Sphinx 587 Audrey 16-Feb-16 01:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 595 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 02:41
Re: age of the Sphinx 688 Audrey 16-Feb-16 02:52
Re: age of the Sphinx 577 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 03:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 672 Audrey 16-Feb-16 03:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 643 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 03:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 787 Audrey 16-Feb-16 03:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 662 Jon Ellison 16-Feb-16 04:23
Re: age of the Sphinx 703 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 14:28
Re: age of the Sphinx 662 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 14:41
Re: age of the Sphinx 642 Audrey 16-Feb-16 01:30
Re: age of the Sphinx 508 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 02:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 655 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 21:41
Re: age of the Sphinx 610 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 23:06
Re: age of the Sphinx 747 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 00:03
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Re: age of the Sphinx 700 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 14:48
Re: age of the Sphinx 699 cladking 16-Feb-16 19:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 706 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 16:28
Re: age of the Sphinx 721 Brian Patterson 29-Jan-16 20:08


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