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Audrey Wrote:
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> Holy homework Batman, I'm not sure if I'm grateful
> for all that info.

Lol.

> I think you've hit a big hornet's nest with this
> one. According to Britannica the Sphinx first
> appears at 1600 bce (excluding Giza) so I started
> to look for these 1600 bce sphinxes. Now I'm
> scratching my head over what they are calling a
> sphinx.
>

>

>
> There are a lot of pictures of ancient sphinxes
> with this same body style, on pottery in statues
> and carvings. Call me nuts but this doesn't look
> like a lion's body to me. Looks more like this
> .......


Yeah, I was thinking this myself but it's hard to say for sure.
The bodies do look a lot like this:

and this kind of dog is depicted in AE art since at least 3,000BC.
But here is a Mycenaean gold seal that is definitely a lion, but has a similar body shape:


Interesting to think about.

> Next quick stop was Minoan dating. According to
> Wiki :
>
> archaeologists use two systems of relative
> chronology. The first, created by Evans and
> modified by later archaeologists, is based on
> pottery styles and the presence of imported
> Egyptian artifacts, which can be correlated
> with the chronology of Ancient Egypt.

> Another dating system, proposed by the Greek
> archaeologist Nicolas Platon, is based on the
> development of the architectural complexes known
> as "palaces" at Knossos, Phaistos, Malia and Kato
> Zakros. He divides the Minoan period into
> Pre-palatial, Proto-palatial, Neo-palatial and
> Post-palatial subperiods.

>
> I think you are aware that all of the ancient
> world is dated according to Egyptian chronology.
> They tie it in one way or another. If they can't
> tie it in, they're stuck. And Egyptian chronology
> is built upon the unproven, nonexistent, no
> evidence of... the Sothic cycle and someone
> supposedly named Manetho.

Indeed.

I looked quite a bit for sphinxes before the 12th Dynasty and other than what I already mentioned have come up empty. Another problem with the supposed Hetepheres II Sphinx is that it is a head of a woman which there are no women sphinxes until the NK either.

All things considered, I see see no reason to attribute it to the OK nor that the statue head of Djedefre, if it even is Djedefre, was ever part of a Sphinx either. One would think Sphinxes would be ubiquitous in the OK leading up to and after Khafre, but instead they are all but nonexistent. This seems to be a mystery hiding in plain site.

> Which takes us right
> back to the Sphinx at Giza. It's a nasty circle.
> As you say there is nothing that speaks of
> Egyptian sphinxes before the 12th dyn (Sothic
> cycle) then one would have to conclude there is no
> evidence of sphinx before then and the Giza
> monument was not originally a lion but was later
> retrofitted to be what had become a popular icon.
> Is logical to me.

It does seem to fit the evidence best.
You raise an interesting possibility that it was never originally an animal. The more I look at it the more frakenstienish it's form seems to be regardless of any later repairs.

It makes me wonder. We know (most) of the blocks of the Valley and Sphinx temples came from excavating the Sphinx enclosure yet the symmetry of the enclosure itself is awkward in relation to the Sphinx not to mention the relationship of the causeway to the Valley Temple which is completely wrong:

And all of it is way off center in relation to G2. For no apparent reason. We look at the weathering of the enclosure walls but forget this enclosure was also a quarry for the temple blocks:
.
Here is a quarry channel from G1's quarry close to the Sphinx (you can see his head in the background). Compare to the Sphinx enclosure walls:

Image Source.
Look here as well at the quarry walls next to G2:


Apples and oranges.

Here we have three quarry walls yet the latter two could not be more different than the Sphinx enclosure. It could be said the Sphinx enclosure was once this way as well and erosion changed it to its current state, but other than the fact they are angled, I am not seeing even a hint of artificial manipulation remaining. While it does seem to indicate a much older age for the Sphinx and associated temples, it makes me question what the Sphinx enclosure really was as well as what was the block in the middle that at some point was carved into a statue? The walls of the Sphinx enclosure do not look like they ever had blocks carved from them and why would they be left in such a rude natural state if the original intent was to enclose the world's greatest statue? Something is not right here.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 30-Jan-16 05:44 by Thanos5150.

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age of the Sphinx 4898 Open mind 24-Nov-15 13:54
Re: age of the Sphinx 1235 Jon Ellison 24-Nov-15 18:34
Re: age of the Sphinx 1137 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Nov-15 00:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 1030 Open mind 25-Nov-15 04:20
Re: age of the Sphinx 913 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-15 14:53
Re: age of the Sphinx 966 Open mind 25-Nov-15 04:43
Re: age of the Sphinx 890 Origyptian 22-Dec-15 18:05
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 1121 laughin 19-Dec-15 15:34
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 870 Harte 24-Dec-15 01:01
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 798 Corpuscles 24-Dec-15 01:39
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 909 Harte 24-Dec-15 14:32
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 769 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 14:49
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 886 Audrey 25-Dec-15 23:39
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 802 Harte 26-Dec-15 00:21
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 702 Audrey 26-Dec-15 01:44
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 752 Origyptian 26-Dec-15 02:40
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 766 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 06:17
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 924 Harte 24-Dec-15 14:37
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 769 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 14:56
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 742 Harte 24-Dec-15 17:23
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 771 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 18:23
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 765 Harte 24-Dec-15 22:51
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 691 Origyptian 25-Dec-15 18:11
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 801 Harte 25-Dec-15 20:19
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 727 Origyptian 26-Dec-15 02:50
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 756 Harte 26-Dec-15 21:45
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 709 Ulrich 23-Jan-16 18:02
Re: age of the Sphinx 879 Mdsign 29-Dec-15 12:01
Re: age of the Sphinx 811 SandyJesse 06-Jan-16 00:59
Re: age of the Sphinx 924 Harte 09-Jan-16 20:43
Re: age of the Sphinx 819 Mdsign 11-Jan-16 10:19
Re: age of the Sphinx 863 SandyJesse 12-Jan-16 23:49
Re: age of the Sphinx 786 Merrell 11-Jan-16 12:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 600 Harte 23-Jan-16 17:19
Re: age of the Sphinx 689 Mdsign 24-Jan-16 16:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 703 Harte 24-Jan-16 22:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 725 Mdsign 25-Jan-16 10:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 616 Origyptian 25-Jan-16 13:45
it is a dog 737 Juha 25-Jan-16 14:50
Re: it is a dog 855 Thanos5150 25-Jan-16 16:37
Re: it is a dog 747 Harte 26-Jan-16 02:14
Re: it is a dog 688 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 02:35
its leo everywhere 707 Mdsign 26-Jan-16 10:20
Assyrian sphinx is bull 974 Juha 26-Jan-16 12:56
Re: Assyrian sphinx is bull 765 Mdsign 26-Jan-16 13:01
Re: Assyrian sphinx is bull 602 Origyptian 26-Jan-16 14:29
Re: it is a dog 826 Harte 26-Jan-16 11:01
Re: it is a dog 653 Jon Ellison 26-Jan-16 12:18
Re: it is a dog 643 Origyptian 26-Jan-16 14:41
Re: it is a dog 726 Jon Ellison 26-Jan-16 17:10
Re: it is a dog 693 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 23:31
Re: it is a dog 750 Harte 27-Jan-16 01:08
Re: it is a dog 862 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 05:49
Re: it is a dog 702 Harte 27-Jan-16 11:12
Re: it is a dog 525 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 18:21
Re: it is a dog 592 DUNE 27-Jan-16 18:32
Dogleg 754 Dr. Troglodyte 27-Jan-16 19:07
Re: Dogleg 815 Thanos5150 28-Jan-16 00:26
Re: it is a dog 645 Origyptian 27-Jan-16 14:24
Re: it is a dog 641 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 11:06
Re: it is a dog 644 Harte 27-Jan-16 11:17
Re: it is a dog 542 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 11:22
Re: it is a dog 731 Audrey 27-Jan-16 04:42
Re: it is a dog 624 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 04:53
Re: it is a dog 594 Audrey 27-Jan-16 06:20
Re: it is a dog 643 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 19:15
Re: it is a dog 888 Audrey 28-Jan-16 01:55
Re: it is a dog 771 Thanos5150 28-Jan-16 20:24
Re: it is a dog 955 Audrey 29-Jan-16 03:14
Re: it is a dog 581 Juha 29-Jan-16 08:23
Re: it is a dog 560 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 09:30
Re: it is a dog 631 Juha 29-Jan-16 11:01
Re: it is a dog 676 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 11:57
Re: it is a dog 639 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 13:30
Age of Pyramids 647 Juha 29-Jan-16 17:07
Re: Age of Pyramids 536 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 17:42
Re: Age of Pyramids 594 Juha 29-Jan-16 18:29
Re: Age of Pyramids 595 Jon Ellison 29-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Age of Pyramids 508 Juha 29-Jan-16 21:19
Re: Age of Pyramids 616 Jon Ellison 29-Jan-16 21:50
Re: Age of Pyramids 696 Audrey 30-Jan-16 06:46
Re: Age of Pyramids 601 brett z 30-Jan-16 13:14
Re: Age of Pyramids 649 Jon Ellison 30-Jan-16 17:58
Straight lines 614 randompHactor 30-Jan-16 18:15
Re: Age of Pyramids 603 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 18:49
Re: Age of Pyramids 650 Juha 29-Jan-16 21:43
Re: it is a dog 545 Audrey 29-Jan-16 17:58
Re: it is a dog 684 Juha 29-Jan-16 22:39
Re: it is a dog 888 Thanos5150 29-Jan-16 22:37
Re: it is a dog 589 Audrey 30-Jan-16 06:21
Re: it is a dog 650 Thanos5150 30-Jan-16 06:56
Re: it is a dog 494 Audrey 30-Jan-16 07:15
Re: it is a dog 634 Origyptian 30-Jan-16 07:30
Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 735 Thanos5150 30-Jan-16 21:35
Re: it is a dog 776 cladking 30-Jan-16 21:52
Re: it is a dog 775 Thanos5150 31-Jan-16 02:15
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 2148 Thanos5150 14-Feb-16 21:54
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 724 DUNE 14-Feb-16 23:45
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 684 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 00:12
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 724 Audrey 15-Feb-16 03:17
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 711 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 03:51
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 642 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 00:54
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 796 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 03:02
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 768 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 06:54
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 676 DUNE 15-Feb-16 10:38
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 600 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 11:41
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 618 Jon Ellison 15-Feb-16 13:46
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 603 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 16:09
Re: Nile and harbor management 716 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 16:31
Re:Ancient Nile elevations 684 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 22:59
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 933 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 23:41
Re: it is a dog 638 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 10:03
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 839 Thunderbird 26-Jan-16 03:45
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 1031 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 04:41
Re: The Akhet (Inundation) and ANPU 697 Thunderbird 26-Jan-16 15:05
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 688 Mdsign 27-Jan-16 09:57
Re: age of the Sphinx 868 Audrey 26-Jan-16 05:21
back to the time period question 753 Mdsign 27-Jan-16 13:12
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 755 DUNE 27-Jan-16 12:01
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 646 Spiros 27-Jan-16 13:11
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 685 Spiros 27-Jan-16 13:53
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 709 cladking 27-Jan-16 15:42
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 562 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 539 cladking 27-Jan-16 20:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 628 Harte 29-Jan-16 19:24
Re: age of the Sphinx 572 randompHactor 29-Jan-16 19:32
Re: age of the Sphinx 586 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 19:39
Re: age of the Sphinx 860 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 17:52
Re: age of the Sphinx 638 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 18:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 694 Martin Stower 19-Feb-16 17:53
Re: age of the Sphinx 569 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 18:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 860 Martin Stower 19-Feb-16 20:23
Re: age of the Sphinx 634 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 18:22
Re: age of the Sphinx 626 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 18:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 681 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 19:21
Re: age of the Sphinx 584 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 19:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 656 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 21:27
Re: age of the Sphinx 668 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 22:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 629 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 22:34
Re: age of the Sphinx 611 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 23:09
Re: age of the Sphinx 580 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 19:45
Re: age of the Sphinx 791 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 20:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 558 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 22:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 613 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 23:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 736 Audrey 16-Feb-16 23:44
Re: age of the Sphinx 675 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 14:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 610 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 675 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:31
Re: age of the Sphinx 692 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:58
Re: age of the Sphinx 575 Audrey 16-Feb-16 23:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 659 Harte 17-Feb-16 11:24
Re: age of the Sphinx 640 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:13
Re: age of the Sphinx 596 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: age of the Sphinx 577 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:54
Re: age of the Sphinx 609 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 16:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 635 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 16:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 571 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 17:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 601 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 23:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 599 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 23:58
Re: age of the Sphinx 491 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 00:10
Re: age of the Sphinx 664 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 00:15
Re: age of the Sphinx 568 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 01:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 700 Harte 17-Feb-16 23:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 606 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:50
Re: age of the Sphinx 631 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 14:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 586 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:47
Re: age of the Sphinx 540 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 16:42
Re: age of the Sphinx 501 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 16:49
Re: age of the Sphinx 704 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 17:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 605 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 17:10
Re: age of the Sphinx 590 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 23:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 512 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 00:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 640 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 00:22
Re: age of the Sphinx 600 Harte 17-Feb-16 23:59
Re: age of the Sphinx 587 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 01:14
Re: age of the Sphinx 547 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 22:51
Re: age of the Sphinx 585 Audrey 15-Feb-16 23:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 537 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 00:25
Re: age of the Sphinx 529 Audrey 16-Feb-16 01:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 604 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 02:50
Re: age of the Sphinx 585 Audrey 16-Feb-16 03:05
Re: age of the Sphinx 586 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 15:06
Re: age of the Sphinx 660 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 00:20
Re: age of the Sphinx 562 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 00:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 618 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 00:44
Re: age of the Sphinx 587 Audrey 16-Feb-16 01:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 595 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 02:41
Re: age of the Sphinx 688 Audrey 16-Feb-16 02:52
Re: age of the Sphinx 577 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 03:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 671 Audrey 16-Feb-16 03:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 642 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 03:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 787 Audrey 16-Feb-16 03:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 662 Jon Ellison 16-Feb-16 04:23
Re: age of the Sphinx 703 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 14:28
Re: age of the Sphinx 662 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 14:41
Re: age of the Sphinx 642 Audrey 16-Feb-16 01:30
Re: age of the Sphinx 508 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 02:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 655 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 21:41
Re: age of the Sphinx 610 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 23:06
Re: age of the Sphinx 747 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 00:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 712 cladking 16-Feb-16 03:30
Re: age of the Sphinx 700 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 14:48
Re: age of the Sphinx 699 cladking 16-Feb-16 19:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 706 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 16:28
Re: age of the Sphinx 721 Brian Patterson 29-Jan-16 20:08


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