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Audrey Wrote:
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> I think it's significant & should be examined
> closely.

Excluding the anomalous and suspect finds at Abu Roash, as far as I can find the Sphinx in Egypt was unknown until the beginning of the 12th Dynasty c. 2000BC where it appears abruptly with the first pharaoh and afterwards is commonplace.

Amenemhat I, first pharaoh of the 12th Dynasty:

Whether or not this was made during his reign or after in memoriam I don't know, but there are enough Sphinx's directly after him that would certainly point to the 12th Dynasty as the beginning of sphinx iconography as displayed in the Sphinx itself. And if not the beginning then certainly an inexplicable renaissance which also requires explanation.
[11-10-17: Correction-this is Amenemhat II, 3rd pharaoh of the 12th Dynasty]

Amenemhat III's Sphinx is interesting:


Apparently he liked his Sphinx Ewok style.

On and on it goes, yet how could it otherwise, with the possible exception of Abu Roash, be missing from the OK? It is interesting that in the 12th Dynasty there appears to be an influx of foreign influence at this time, namely Canaanites from the Levant, which may have been the impetus for the reassertion of the Dynastic state after the First Intermediate period, but I am also wondering if they brought the Sphinx ideology with them. By the 12th Dynasty it could have been buried in sand again which makes one wonder if the Sphinx was excavated at this time and recarved as a lion, an idea which Robert Temple suggests was the 12th Dynasty pharaoh Amenemhet II.

In Israel (Levant) at the site of Hazor c. 2nd millennium, a statue fragment was found of presumably a Sphinx with supposedly Menkaure's name on it:

Pharaoh's Sphinx Paws Found in Israel. I'd like to get a look at those hieroglyphs, but all things considered I would not rush to place the provenance of this Sphinx to the actual reign of Menkaure.

According to Encyclopedia Britannica (which speaks to some of your other thoughts as well:
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Through Egyptian influence the sphinx became known in Asia, but its meaning there is uncertain. The sphinx did not occur in Mesopotamia until about 1500 bce, when it was clearly imported from the Levant. In appearance the Asian sphinx differed from its Egyptian model most noticeably in the addition of wings to the leonine body, a feature that continued through its subsequent history in Asia and the Greek world. Another innovation was the female sphinx, which first began to appear in the 15th century bce. On seals, ivories, and metalwork the sphinx was portrayed sitting on its haunches, often with one paw raised, and was frequently paired with a lion, a griffin (part eagle and part lion), or another sphinx.

About 1600 bce the sphinx first appeared in the Greek world. Objects from Crete at the end of the middle Minoan period and from the shaft graves at Mycenae throughout the late Helladic age showed the sphinx characteristically winged. Although derived from the Asian sphinx, the Greek examples were not identical in appearance; they customarily wore a flat cap with a flamelike projection on top. Nothing in their context connected them with later legend, and their meaning remains unknown.

After 1200 bce the depiction of sphinxes disappeared from Greek art for about 400 years, though they continued in Asia in forms and poses similar to those of the Bronze Age. By the end of the 8th century, the sphinx reappeared in Greek art and was common down to the end of the 6th century. Often associated with Oriental motifs, it was clearly derived from an Eastern source, and from its appearance it could not have been a direct descendant of the Bronze Age Greek sphinx. The later Greek sphinx was almost always female and usually wore the long-tiered wig known on contemporary sculptures of the Daedalic style; the body became graceful, and the wings developed a beautiful curving form unknown in Asia. Sphinxes decorated vases, ivories, and metal works and in the late Archaic period occurred as ornaments on temples. Although their context is usually insufficient to enable their meaning to be judged, their appearance on temples suggests a protective function.
Source.

> The front is actually squared, this is easier to
> see in the old photos. Without the paws and tail
> there is basically a keyhole structure. I don't
> think it was originally an animal.

Yeah, I always thought it odd his back was so flat.

A "keyhole" like structure? Like this perhaps:




Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 10-Nov-17 18:12 by Thanos5150.

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age of the Sphinx 4898 Open mind 24-Nov-15 13:54
Re: age of the Sphinx 1236 Jon Ellison 24-Nov-15 18:34
Re: age of the Sphinx 1138 Pete Vanderzwet 25-Nov-15 00:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 1030 Open mind 25-Nov-15 04:20
Re: age of the Sphinx 913 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-15 14:53
Re: age of the Sphinx 966 Open mind 25-Nov-15 04:43
Re: age of the Sphinx 890 Origyptian 22-Dec-15 18:05
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 1121 laughin 19-Dec-15 15:34
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 870 Harte 24-Dec-15 01:01
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 798 Corpuscles 24-Dec-15 01:39
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 909 Harte 24-Dec-15 14:32
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 770 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 14:49
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 886 Audrey 25-Dec-15 23:39
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 802 Harte 26-Dec-15 00:21
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 702 Audrey 26-Dec-15 01:44
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 752 Origyptian 26-Dec-15 02:40
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 766 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 06:17
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 924 Harte 24-Dec-15 14:37
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 770 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 14:56
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 742 Harte 24-Dec-15 17:23
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 771 Origyptian 24-Dec-15 18:23
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 765 Harte 24-Dec-15 22:51
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 691 Origyptian 25-Dec-15 18:11
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 801 Harte 25-Dec-15 20:19
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 727 Origyptian 26-Dec-15 02:50
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 756 Harte 26-Dec-15 21:45
Re: age of the Sphinx ?. how about 800,000 years 710 Ulrich 23-Jan-16 18:02
Re: age of the Sphinx 879 Mdsign 29-Dec-15 12:01
Re: age of the Sphinx 812 SandyJesse 06-Jan-16 00:59
Re: age of the Sphinx 924 Harte 09-Jan-16 20:43
Re: age of the Sphinx 820 Mdsign 11-Jan-16 10:19
Re: age of the Sphinx 863 SandyJesse 12-Jan-16 23:49
Re: age of the Sphinx 787 Merrell 11-Jan-16 12:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 600 Harte 23-Jan-16 17:19
Re: age of the Sphinx 690 Mdsign 24-Jan-16 16:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 703 Harte 24-Jan-16 22:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 725 Mdsign 25-Jan-16 10:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 616 Origyptian 25-Jan-16 13:45
it is a dog 737 Juha 25-Jan-16 14:50
Re: it is a dog 855 Thanos5150 25-Jan-16 16:37
Re: it is a dog 747 Harte 26-Jan-16 02:14
Re: it is a dog 688 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 02:35
its leo everywhere 707 Mdsign 26-Jan-16 10:20
Assyrian sphinx is bull 974 Juha 26-Jan-16 12:56
Re: Assyrian sphinx is bull 765 Mdsign 26-Jan-16 13:01
Re: Assyrian sphinx is bull 603 Origyptian 26-Jan-16 14:29
Re: it is a dog 826 Harte 26-Jan-16 11:01
Re: it is a dog 653 Jon Ellison 26-Jan-16 12:18
Re: it is a dog 643 Origyptian 26-Jan-16 14:41
Re: it is a dog 727 Jon Ellison 26-Jan-16 17:10
Re: it is a dog 694 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 23:31
Re: it is a dog 750 Harte 27-Jan-16 01:08
Re: it is a dog 863 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 05:49
Re: it is a dog 702 Harte 27-Jan-16 11:12
Re: it is a dog 526 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 18:21
Re: it is a dog 593 DUNE 27-Jan-16 18:32
Dogleg 754 Dr. Troglodyte 27-Jan-16 19:07
Re: Dogleg 816 Thanos5150 28-Jan-16 00:26
Re: it is a dog 645 Origyptian 27-Jan-16 14:24
Re: it is a dog 641 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 11:06
Re: it is a dog 644 Harte 27-Jan-16 11:17
Re: it is a dog 542 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 11:22
Re: it is a dog 732 Audrey 27-Jan-16 04:42
Re: it is a dog 624 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 04:53
Re: it is a dog 594 Audrey 27-Jan-16 06:20
Re: it is a dog 643 Thanos5150 27-Jan-16 19:15
Re: it is a dog 888 Audrey 28-Jan-16 01:55
Re: it is a dog 771 Thanos5150 28-Jan-16 20:24
Re: it is a dog 956 Audrey 29-Jan-16 03:14
Re: it is a dog 581 Juha 29-Jan-16 08:23
Re: it is a dog 561 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 09:30
Re: it is a dog 632 Juha 29-Jan-16 11:01
Re: it is a dog 677 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 11:57
Re: it is a dog 639 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 13:30
Age of Pyramids 647 Juha 29-Jan-16 17:07
Re: Age of Pyramids 537 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 17:42
Re: Age of Pyramids 594 Juha 29-Jan-16 18:29
Re: Age of Pyramids 596 Jon Ellison 29-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Age of Pyramids 509 Juha 29-Jan-16 21:19
Re: Age of Pyramids 617 Jon Ellison 29-Jan-16 21:50
Re: Age of Pyramids 697 Audrey 30-Jan-16 06:46
Re: Age of Pyramids 602 brett z 30-Jan-16 13:14
Re: Age of Pyramids 649 Jon Ellison 30-Jan-16 17:58
Straight lines 614 randompHactor 30-Jan-16 18:15
Re: Age of Pyramids 604 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 18:49
Re: Age of Pyramids 651 Juha 29-Jan-16 21:43
Re: it is a dog 545 Audrey 29-Jan-16 17:58
Re: it is a dog 685 Juha 29-Jan-16 22:39
Re: it is a dog 889 Thanos5150 29-Jan-16 22:37
Re: it is a dog 590 Audrey 30-Jan-16 06:21
Re: it is a dog 650 Thanos5150 30-Jan-16 06:56
Re: it is a dog 495 Audrey 30-Jan-16 07:15
Re: it is a dog 635 Origyptian 30-Jan-16 07:30
Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 735 Thanos5150 30-Jan-16 21:35
Re: it is a dog 776 cladking 30-Jan-16 21:52
Re: it is a dog 775 Thanos5150 31-Jan-16 02:15
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 2149 Thanos5150 14-Feb-16 21:54
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 724 DUNE 14-Feb-16 23:45
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 684 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 00:12
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 724 Audrey 15-Feb-16 03:17
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 712 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 03:51
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 642 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 00:54
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 796 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 03:02
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 768 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 06:54
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 676 DUNE 15-Feb-16 10:38
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 600 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 11:41
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 619 Jon Ellison 15-Feb-16 13:46
Re: Granite ....to protect against high water 603 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 16:09
Re: Nile and harbor management 716 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 16:31
Re:Ancient Nile elevations 684 Thunderbird 15-Feb-16 22:59
Re: Was the Sphinx Originally an Animal? 934 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 23:41
Re: it is a dog 639 Mdsign 29-Jan-16 10:03
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 840 Thunderbird 26-Jan-16 03:45
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 1032 Thanos5150 26-Jan-16 04:41
Re: The Akhet (Inundation) and ANPU 697 Thunderbird 26-Jan-16 15:05
Re: Dumuzi....Osiris 688 Mdsign 27-Jan-16 09:57
Re: age of the Sphinx 868 Audrey 26-Jan-16 05:21
back to the time period question 753 Mdsign 27-Jan-16 13:12
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 756 DUNE 27-Jan-16 12:01
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 646 Spiros 27-Jan-16 13:11
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 685 Spiros 27-Jan-16 13:53
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 710 cladking 27-Jan-16 15:42
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 563 Jon Ellison 27-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Why are the Causeways where they are, 539 cladking 27-Jan-16 20:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 628 Harte 29-Jan-16 19:24
Re: age of the Sphinx 572 randompHactor 29-Jan-16 19:32
Re: age of the Sphinx 587 Origyptian 29-Jan-16 19:39
Re: age of the Sphinx 860 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 17:52
Re: age of the Sphinx 638 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 18:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 695 Martin Stower 19-Feb-16 17:53
Re: age of the Sphinx 569 Origyptian 19-Feb-16 18:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 861 Martin Stower 19-Feb-16 20:23
Re: age of the Sphinx 634 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 18:22
Re: age of the Sphinx 626 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 18:36
Re: age of the Sphinx 681 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 19:21
Re: age of the Sphinx 585 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 19:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 656 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 21:27
Re: age of the Sphinx 669 Martin Stower 15-Feb-16 22:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 629 Thanos5150 15-Feb-16 22:34
Re: age of the Sphinx 611 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 23:09
Re: age of the Sphinx 580 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 19:45
Re: age of the Sphinx 792 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 20:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 558 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 22:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 614 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 23:33
Re: age of the Sphinx 736 Audrey 16-Feb-16 23:44
Re: age of the Sphinx 675 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 14:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 611 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:18
Re: age of the Sphinx 676 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:31
Re: age of the Sphinx 692 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:58
Re: age of the Sphinx 576 Audrey 16-Feb-16 23:37
Re: age of the Sphinx 659 Harte 17-Feb-16 11:24
Re: age of the Sphinx 640 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:13
Re: age of the Sphinx 597 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: age of the Sphinx 577 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 15:54
Re: age of the Sphinx 610 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 16:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 636 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 16:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 571 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 17:08
Re: age of the Sphinx 602 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 23:00
Re: age of the Sphinx 600 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 23:58
Re: age of the Sphinx 492 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 00:10
Re: age of the Sphinx 664 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 00:15
Re: age of the Sphinx 568 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 01:07
Re: age of the Sphinx 700 Harte 17-Feb-16 23:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 606 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:50
Re: age of the Sphinx 631 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 14:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 586 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 15:47
Re: age of the Sphinx 541 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 16:42
Re: age of the Sphinx 502 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 16:49
Re: age of the Sphinx 704 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 17:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 605 Origyptian 17-Feb-16 17:10
Re: age of the Sphinx 590 Martin Stower 17-Feb-16 23:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 513 Origyptian 18-Feb-16 00:03
Re: age of the Sphinx 640 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 00:22
Re: age of the Sphinx 600 Harte 17-Feb-16 23:59
Re: age of the Sphinx 587 Martin Stower 18-Feb-16 01:14
Re: age of the Sphinx 547 Origyptian 15-Feb-16 22:51
Re: age of the Sphinx 585 Audrey 15-Feb-16 23:55
Re: age of the Sphinx 538 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 00:25
Re: age of the Sphinx 529 Audrey 16-Feb-16 01:40
Re: age of the Sphinx 604 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 02:50
Re: age of the Sphinx 585 Audrey 16-Feb-16 03:05
Re: age of the Sphinx 586 Origyptian 16-Feb-16 15:06
Re: age of the Sphinx 660 Thanos5150 16-Feb-16 00:20
Re: age of the Sphinx 562 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 00:37
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Re: age of the Sphinx 577 Martin Stower 16-Feb-16 03:03
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