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Brian Patterson Wrote:
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> Ori,
>
> You just posted:
>
> "B.-J.'s monographs are magnificent
> in description and photography. But please
> tell us on what basis B.-J. made his claims
> regarding
> quarrying at mons C. despite the complete lack of
> any evidence
> of tools
and methods at those sites and the
> contradictory evidence found
> at the fort and in the ostraca."
>
> Ori, one of the consistent things
> you post goes something along the lines of this.
>
> If the ancients built/quarried
> these structures, why is there zero
> evidence of the tools they used in the
> construction.
>
> Then, on another thread, you posted:
>
> "And why would you think aliens
> would leave their tools behind, especially
> if they brought such tools with them?"
>
> Here:
> [grahamhancock.com]
>
> You know yourself that you have
> been nothing short of disingenuous in
> your debating tactics, demanding evidence from
> others, that you seem to find no need for in
> support
> of your own wild speculations.
>
> But I do enjoy reading your posts here,
> and I want you to know this site would not be the
> same without you.
>
> Your #1 fan,
>
> Brian #3

Brian, my logic is in fact very consistent.

What you seem to lose track of is that there is a vast difference between a civilization being so old that only its stonework remains, vs. a newer civilization where a huge historic volume exists in physical evidence and preserved documentation about virtually every aspect of its culture and daily life with the conspicuous absence of tools and methods required to achieve the work that has been attributed to it.

As I've said many times before, if a civilization leaves a slew of evidence of every "color" except for "blue", then that can be logically construed as evidence they didn't know about "blue". Even B.-J. subscribes to that notion with regard to mons C. not employing slaves.

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Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 5549 loveritas 29-Oct-15 05:46
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 1151 Thunderbird 29-Oct-15 08:25
Beneath the Waves 898 loveritas 29-Oct-15 21:51
Re: Beneath the Waves 856 thirdpal 29-Oct-15 23:33
Re: Beneath the Waves 733 loveritas 29-Oct-15 23:46
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 995 Thanos5150 29-Oct-15 16:14
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 773 loveritas 29-Oct-15 20:22
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 856 Corpuscles 30-Oct-15 05:47
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 1011 Thanos5150 30-Oct-15 19:22
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 780 Corpuscles 30-Oct-15 21:31
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 929 Thanos5150 30-Oct-15 23:21
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 904 DScribr 29-Oct-15 20:16
Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 699 molder 29-Oct-15 21:48
Re: Puma Punku Recommended Reading 793 DScribr 31-Oct-15 20:15
Re: Puma Punku Recommended Reading 867 Thanos5150 31-Oct-15 20:54
Re: Puma Punku Recommended Reading 791 DScribr 02-Nov-15 17:32
Re: Puma Punku Recommended Reading 817 loveritas 31-Oct-15 22:29
Re: Puma Punku Recommended Reading AND FYI 747 DScribr 02-Nov-15 17:39
Re: Puma Punku Recommended Reading AND FYI 672 Origyptian 02-Nov-15 19:24
Radio Carbon Dating of PP- Lake Titicaca levels-Now up to Ori to provide PROOF of the source material he quoted... 596 DScribr 03-Nov-15 19:41
Re: Radio Carbon Dating of PP-Info on Lake Titicaca levels 722 Origyptian 03-Nov-15 23:28
Re-interpretation by Ori IS unacceptable. 657 DScribr 05-Nov-15 00:03
Re: Re-interpretation by Ori IS unacceptable. 704 Audrey 05-Nov-15 00:42
Re: Re-interpretation by Ori IS unacceptable. 724 DScribr 05-Nov-15 17:23
Re: Re-interpretation by Ori IS unacceptable. 729 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-15 17:36
Re: Re-interpretation by Ori IS unacceptable. 698 DScribr 05-Nov-15 17:49
Re: Re-interpretation by Ori IS unacceptable. 658 Origyptian 05-Nov-15 03:13
More Ori O.Ls. 795 DScribr 05-Nov-15 17:42
Re: More Ori O.Ls. 654 Origyptian 05-Nov-15 19:19
Re: More DScribr DLusion and DFlection 626 Origyptian 05-Nov-15 20:02
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Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 906 Thanos5150 30-Oct-15 05:26
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Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 788 Thanos5150 30-Oct-15 16:31
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Re: Strange Artifact 808 Jon Ellison 30-Oct-15 12:11
Re: Strange Artifact 690 loveritas 31-Oct-15 20:46
Re: Strange Artifact 741 loveritas 02-Nov-15 06:30
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Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 800 cladking 30-Oct-15 18:42
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Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 767 cladking 30-Oct-15 20:40
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Re: Puma Punku to Elephantine Island 857 Origyptian 02-Nov-15 04:01
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