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Origyptian Wrote:
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> DScribr Wrote:
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> > Origyptian wrote:
> > >
> > > Protzen is very clear about this. Andesite is
> a high silica tetrahedron, hard igneous rock
> > > (between diorite and basalt). There was no
> metal technology available for the ancients to
> shape
> > > those stones. Iron didn't arrive there until
> the Spanish invasion, and he agrees that andesite
> is
> > > too hard for bronze or copper tools.
> > >
> >
> > Protzen DID NOT say this, " There was no metal
> technology available for the ancients to shape
> > those stones..." YOU did. See link below for
> exactly how 'ancient' the builders are.
> >
> > And I'm DAM sure he didn't sat this either, "he
> agrees that andesite is too hard for bronze or
> > copper tools...." (You're welcome to try and
> prove me wrong here.)
>
> There's no need to "try" to prove you wrong;
> you're just wrong. Why would you attempt such an
> empty allegation unless you had the book and read
> the relevant section?
Quote
Protzen & Nair, "The
> Stones of Tiahuanaco", 2013, p.154

"To our
> knowledge, no tools have ever been excavated or
> identified that are positively associated with
> construction at Tiahuanaco. Iron tools were
> unknown in the Andes before the arrival of the
> Spanish. The few Tiahuanaco copper or bronze
> chisels in the American Museum of Natural History
> in New York and in the Museum Tiahuanaco in La Paz
> seem too small for construction work. Furthermore,
> preliminary tests we made with modern bronze
> showed the material to be rather ineffectual on
> hard stone."
> > The Pre Incas used a copper/arsenic/nickel alloy
> to make their tools. Regardless of any/all of
> YOUR
> > misleading and outright false statements, the
> Pre Incas DID build Puma Punku using the tools I
> mentioned.
>
> Unfortunately for you, my "outright false
> statements"
are actually from Protzen.
>
>
> > Here's some valid proof, (in first link) that
> you may want to read to possibly avoid making
> more
> > misleading and outright false statements in the
> future.
> >
> > Radio Carbon Data on Tia:
> >
> >
> <[www.scielo.cl]
> t&pid=S0717-73562004000100003>
>
> "Valid proof" of what? What conclusions are you
> suggesting can be drawn from radiocarbon data that
> indicates "Tiwanaku activity" other than the
> presence of the most recent population that
> occupied or passed through the site at any point
> after it was constructed?
>
> I suggest you seriously reconsider what that 2004
> master's thesis is "valid proof" of. It is from a
> graduate student at Warsaw University, Poland, (it
> took him 5 years to get the Master's) who is now
> an Editor at CEO, CIO, and CFO Magazine. In fact,
> he immediately dropped out of archeology when he
> left school in 2000 and became a journalist for an
> IT magazine before the paper was even published.
> His credentials include:
    >
    > Journalist / IT Partner Magazine
    > Journalist / Internet Standard Magazine
    > Journalist at CXO Magazine
    > Editor at CEO, CIO, CFO Magazines
>
> He's also credited for being a good "coordinator
> and speaker" at CIO events. The one paper you
> cited by him is the ONLY thing on record that he's
> ever written in the field of C14 dating or
> archeology. Not a very credible source for "valid
> proof" by my standards. Sorry.
> [www.linkedin.com]
> /a23/8a5


To repeat: Protzen DID NOT say this, " There was no metal technology available for the ancients to shape those stones..." YOU did....I suggest you reread Protzen's statements, and stop trying to re-interpret them.

There have been more than a few tools found in the REGION. The Pre Incas traveled fairly long distances to quarry, etc. their stone.

He didn't sat this either, "he agrees that andesite is too hard for bronze or copper tools...." YOU did. I suggest you reread Protzen's statements, and stop trying to re-interpret them.

ORI, "What conclusions are you suggesting can be drawn from radiocarbon data": THE TIME PP's CONSTRUCTION BEGAN. I also suggest you actually READ the Radio Carbon test results.

Currently accepted Pyramide dates stand until proven otherwise.
Campbell's Chamber roof blocks are Tura Limestone until proven otherwise.
THE Cartouche in Campbell's Chamber IS Authentic, as are ALL other RC's Glyphs, until proven otherwise.


"This Forgery 'theory' has more holes than a sieve basket."



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