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Corpuscles Wrote:
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> He makes a good case that by 4th D and much, much,
> earlier AE were VERY aware of tomb robbing.

No doubt.

> The source of the serekh? Hassan seems to
> thoroughly agree with you, that it was long before
> and imported.
> BUT from where?

Sorry, but I am not seeing where he says this. Please give me the pg#.

> I know you are going to ask for he page
> references. … so go ahead, (but read it all
> first)
> On request ,I'll try to list them all that I have
> seen, in a later post if interested.

I like Hassan. His writing and opinions are unassuming, but he also stands at the edge of antiquarian vs modern thinking/discovery so when reading him you need to temper what he says with modern Egyptology and/or focus more on the archaeology and not opinion, a good rule of thumb in any Egyptlogical era.

The disconnect for me with Hassan on the "palace facade" is that to him that is all it is, an architectural meme, taken from the idea it is a repetitive representation of the door of the king's palace derived from the symbol "srh".

"By its very form, and the form of the srh from which it is derived, we know that the palace-facade is nothing more or less than a great imitation door, based on the two ceremonial doorways of the King's palace (1), and as the King was the model which his subjects copied as closely as they were able...."

Hassan thinks this, he continues, because as was the thought of the day, posited by Emery-something I have spoken of many times like here: The Enigma of the Palace Facade Mastabas of the 1st Dynasty, that the palace facade mastabas at Saqqara were for kings which has increasingly proven to be unlikely. They are not royal, but rather belong to officials and wives in which the tombs of the kings themselves, at Abydos, are not palace facade.

Hassan is operating from outdated information, among other things, and as I have argued at length what is depicted is an actual specific building and further that it was not the "king's palace", but something else, ambiguously it appears referred to as the "Great House". The fact is that while, yes, it is a an architectural style, it is also at times an actual specific building made in the palace facade style.



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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 1296 Graham Chase 02-Aug-15 19:59
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 887 Manu 19-Nov-16 17:53
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 990 Thanos5150 19-Nov-16 18:35
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 1061 Thanos5150 20-Nov-16 05:55
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 1042 Thanos5150 21-Nov-16 02:28
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 893 Thanos5150 22-Nov-16 21:21
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Re: Mesopotamia link to Optics 500 Thanos5150 15-May-19 19:40
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 874 DScribr 23-Nov-16 02:17
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 930 DScribr 23-Nov-16 02:04
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 969 Thanos5150 23-Nov-16 04:29
Re: Mesopotamian Origins of Writing 836 DScribr 23-Nov-16 15:08
Re: Mesopotamian Origins of Writing 997 Thanos5150 24-Nov-16 05:32
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Re: Mesopotamian Origins of Writing 923 Thanos5150 25-Nov-16 21:17
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Re: Mesopotamian Origins of Writing 880 SandyJesse 14-Dec-16 00:24
Re: Mesopotamian Origins of Writing 1171 Thanos5150 15-Dec-16 18:16
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 895 Thanos5150 20-Mar-19 06:30
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 501 engbren 20-Mar-19 08:53
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 543 Corpuscles 20-Mar-19 11:55
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 509 Thanos5150 22-Mar-19 03:22
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 515 jamesglory 22-Mar-19 03:47
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 706 Thanos5150 22-Mar-19 05:27
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 555 jamesglory 25-Mar-19 01:34
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 515 eyeofhorus33 25-Mar-19 18:00
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 495 Dr. Troglodyte 25-Mar-19 20:18
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 542 Thanos5150 25-Mar-19 20:35
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 573 Thanos5150 26-Mar-19 01:58
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 348 Thanos5150 21-Feb-20 16:12
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 354 Manu 21-Feb-20 19:29
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 362 waggy 21-Feb-20 21:16
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 409 Thanos5150 22-Feb-20 02:58
Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 281 Thanos5150 10-Nov-20 23:40
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