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Quoting Thanos, "......This general idea, the "Dynastic Race Theory", was first proposed by Petrie and later championed by Walter B Emery. Most recently, David Rohl has written about it. Petrie thought it was an "invasion", Emery more of an "administration". Most modern Egyptologists, for the wrong reasons I believe, have dismissed the DRT citing namely because they do not see evidence of this "invasion", yet despite this the evidence of a direct Mesopotamian influence is still there. I side more with Emery, but I do not believe this occurred without blood shed. While the Naqada ritually dismembered their dead before this time, at the Hierakonpolis cemetery we see as well something quite different. Though interestingly carefully buried after the fact, many subjects were brutally murdered by bashing in their skulls with a mace as well as scalping. Yes, scalping. With such brutal displays as this I do not think it took much to subjugate the "native" peoples.

Though more humane apparently, I would note this practice, again 1st found in Mesopotamia, only grew where by the 1st Dynasty hundreds of subjects were being murdered to be buried near their ruler. This abruptly ends in the 2nd Dynasty which I think may be one of the keys as to understanding why there was a "revolt" which ultimately led to the dark age of the 2nd Dynasty. Killing hundreds of people just to be buried next to the king is not cool.

I digress....Emery was of the mind this administrative culture was a progenitor to both Egypt and Sumer (Not Mesopotamia mind you), which in context I suggest would have been the Ubaid. Civilization is attributed to the Sumerians, but the reality is all of the foundations were already well formed by the Ubaid long before the Sumerians even got there c. 3800BC. Cities, temple/priest form of governance, multi-story buildings including mud-brick, palace facade architecture, stepped platforms, large scale public works and agriculture. It was all there. The Sumerians did not create civilization, they absorbed it and kicked it into overdrive. The Ubaid didn't just "dissappear" though so I think there might be something to Emery's suggestion which is why I never say "Sumerians" but rather "Mesopotamian" as other than some direct parallels to Uruk I do not think we can say definitely which Mesopotamians the Dynastic Elite were....."


Hi Lee, I agree w/ you and Emery for the most part. As you mentioned somewhere they married into each other's Civilizations....similar to what A. The Great did after conquering a territory, etc...helps to maintain control over long distances, and the long term. IMO, The Meso presence and influence was more or less peacefully achieved, included commerce, etc, for a few centuries anyway....but eventually the 'honeymoon' ended, the Meso were booted out, and a Tribe or group of them took over control of large areas of AE...eventually forming the Predynastic AE era.

Of course the Unification of Egypt was a continually changing degree of central control, sometimes lost altogether, and reformed.

("Killing hundreds of people just to be buried next to the king is not cool....I agree 100% w/ the statement and your conclusions.)


Yes, many different cultures and ppls to chose from for the DRT; ppl who had good relations the Mesos for a time.....could've easily been from South Africa, or anywhere north of Egypt.

There are differences in skin color, etc. between African Tribes, and within a single tribe. The genetic differences between a white man and a black are minuscule, so within a tribe even less, but these differences thru out history have divided a blood-related group, and even drove them to Genocide, etc.

Regards. W

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Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 8008 Thanos5150 01-Aug-15 02:50
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Re: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building 1173 Graham Chase 02-Aug-15 19:59
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