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14 years ago
JimLewandowski
The Sumerian story is the first because accepted chronology states it came earlier than ALL the monotheist writings. The story of Noah is a CREATION story. That's why it can "contradict" scientific questions like "where did all the water go?". These are stories about the very FIRST waters that "arrived" on Earth. Re: Enoch (I hate to sound like a broken record, I
Forum: Inner Space
8 years ago
JimLewandowski
Not following. I completely agree with Dunn on ancient machining.
Forum: Mysteries
8 years ago
JimLewandowski
Watch. 2 + 2 = 5. Pi is the circumference of a circle with a diameter of 1. Which is true? Does being incorrect on one statement make the other false or suspect? If it IS suspect, can there be an objective place to check said suspected statement? Remove Dunn's incorrect statement and see how that affects the claim being made.
Forum: Mysteries
12 years ago
JimLewandowski
Period.
Forum: Mysteries
12 years ago
JimLewandowski
The fact that it's made up, in many ways makes it of a higher importance to our ancestors than mundane "facts". JL
Forum: Mysteries
12 years ago
JimLewandowski
No, it's just symbolism. JL
Forum: Mysteries
12 years ago
JimLewandowski
not ON the earth. JL'
Forum: Mysteries
13 years ago
JimLewandowski
the rest is politics (i.e. we were slaves, pity us, god helped us escape our captors). To reiterate: the ID of god IS shown using symbolism in the Exodus story (and Exodus chapter in the OT). It's all very simple. JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Lee McGiffen wrote: > All the characters in Genesis are fictional. Any claim > by any race to be descended from any of these characters is > bogus, bogus, bogus. *** Corrrectamundo. You also penetrate the outer teachings. > > Ahkenazis (yes, I've also noted the 'Nazi' ending) lay claim to > the so-called Holy Land on the basis of these fictional > connections. There is
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Noah is WHOLLY based on earlier stories. The only thing left out from the Noah story is Noah "ascending" to "heaven". JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Never heard of it. Quote: Again, according to the book of Jasher, Canaan, who was Ham's son, was cursed by God, because he stole the sacred priestly garments of Adam which Noah was wearing why he slept, leaving him naked and exposed (Noah carried the body of Adam with them on the Ark according to some ancient texts). *** Reference please. I'd very much like to look into this. JL Yes, t
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
He (Mark) compsed a more spiritual Gospel for the use of those who were being perfected. Nevertheless, he yet did not divulge the THINGS NOT TO BE UTTERED, nor did he write down the hierophantic teachings of the Lord, but to the stories already written he added yet others and, moreover, brought in certain sayings of which he knew the interpretation would, as a mystagogue, LEAD THE HEARERS INTO T
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
transported like hundreds of miles from its quarry. Somewhere in central or south american this mica sheet was used in some tomb? Anyone have any more information on this? JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
74. Re: ???
Kboldt wrote: > Yes, Jim, but that symbolism is still subject to > interpretation. *** Yes and no. Based on the ANE-derived religious writings I'm familiar with, the symbolism used within and the known physically sacred objects allows one to intersect them and by process of elimination, whittle it down to very, very few things. Symbols and metaphor could mean many things. > How do
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
75. ???
I don't follow. What is your definition of myth? What is your definition of symbolism? Do you think our ancestors ever used symbolism in their religious writings? If so, why do you think they used symbolism rather than simply stating what's what? JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Marduk wrote: > you sound like you haven't actually read Gilgamesh Jim *** Not the whole thing, but via an analysis by Alford (he devotes 2 chapters to it) re: exploded planets/meteorite symbolism contained therein. > what part are you referring to here as a creation story *** Anytime meteorites are involved, it IS a creation story. Since meteorites and their actions (descent from the
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Noah was born "with hair as white as wool and eyes that lit up the room" (note incredibly, UNcoincidental similarity to Jesus' description in Revelation). Moses wasn't allow to look directly at good while up at the mount. When Moses returned he had to wear a veil as his face "shone" (emanated rays - Torah). Why the fascination with glowing things or not being allowed to loo
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
to symbolically explain that a large amount of water arrived (belief) at creation time. It also overlays part (or all - Gilgamesh) of the template: descent from the heavens death resurrection/rebirth ascent back to the heavens The part of Gilgamesh (Noah) going BACK to heaven was left out of the OT story (reasons unknown). JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
The flood is about the CREATION of earth (and in this case the arrival of the waters of earth at CREATION). A&E are representative of the first male/female after creation. JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
The bible has a common theme. Thus, there are independent stories that incorporate this theme. From an umbrella standpoint, the OT is about "god". There are stories illuminating (symbolically) who/what this god is. Examples identifying god are: - the story of Noah falling asleep in his tent and cursing Japhet (sp?) - Moses going up the mount and coming down the mount and having his
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
This was WRITTEN in a book, that we assume to be chronologically laid out. IOW, the story of Noah (Gilgamesh) can be viewed in isolation since they are, in and of themselves, creation stories. JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
to earth but NOT causing a tsunami or any death (i.e. a creation myth). THE great flood was about how all the water on earth GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Not a real-life, flesh/blood historical event. It encodes symbolically what some humans THINK occurred with regard to some aspects of creation. In the same way Xianity is a CREATION MYTH, not a story about a flesh/blood human. JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Archae Solenhofen wrote: > imLewandowski wrote: > > >IOW, the object looks like it has to have been turned by a > >lathe as it seems "perfectly" round. > > Not much is needed for a lapidary lathe if that is what was > actually used to make this. A lathe is not needed to make this > form, *** Is it likely some type of lathe was used to achieve the percei
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
IOW, the object looks like it has to have been turned by a lathe as it seems "perfectly" round. JL
Forum: Mysteries
14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Even this one? JL
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14 years ago
JimLewandowski
Like Jesus (LOL!). JL
Forum: Mysteries
15 years ago
JimLewandowski
music wrote: > JimLewandowski wrote: > > > I'm coming from the perspective that there's not a shred of > > OBJective evidence about any monotheistic, near-east god. > > You’re not alone to think that, however I don’t think we ever > had the capacity to capture one. What kind of evidence do you > need, that was possible to be provided? *** Not following. > &
Forum: Mysteries
15 years ago
JimLewandowski
music wrote: > JL, what about divine narrative, the speeches, the stories.. > his physical presence and subsequent chat with Adam, Moses, > Enoch, et all.. *** I'm coming from the perspective that there's not a shred of OBJective evidence about any monotheistic, near-east god. > > What about m.c. JC, and all that he had to say about it… > What about Chinese, Hindu, Sumeria
Forum: Mysteries
15 years ago
JimLewandowski
music wrote: > --{ > Yahweh is portrayed with the "cosmic mountain" (i.e. Mt. Sinai) > and all the traits of a meteorite. > }-- > > JL, what about us, being in his image *** 2 ways to look at this. 1) we are in the image of "god" in that we come from the "ground"/soil. 2) politics. Ego/ethno-centric view of a monotheistic god. JL
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