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8 years ago
Voyager
How on earth can someone decapitate himself using the hand weapons of the day?
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
This article states contrary. QuotePopular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history, and adherents of esoteric Christianity is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the (Egyptian god) Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Hindu Sanskrit word, Aum. There is no aca
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
I think the ideology of "states rights" was the overall reason for the division and the ensuing war. Most of the southern states believed strongly that states should govern themselves even to the point of overturning federal mandates such as taxes. The confederacy was a very loose governmental organization which the southern states willingly but very reluctantly submitted to for the c
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
I am aware of Rohl's work but I have not studied nor have I read any of his books. Instead I have looked at some the works of less well known researchers who specify a 1612 date for the Exodus (let's say plus or minus some reasonable error of 5 years). This date establishes 1829 BCE as the start of the seven year famine, 600 hundred years before the Bronze age collapse. 1612 BCE has interestin
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Thunderbird wrote: > Great Empires and Kingdoms leave evidence,...abundant evidence. > The Size of David and Solomons Kingdoms ..plus activity...would > make the records of neighbours. Not always. Lugal-ane-mundu is said to have been the king of Adab and according to a single account about him, once ruled a kingdom from the Zagros to the Mediterranean. Yet practically no evidence of th
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Most researchers think the Thera eruption was c. 1628. If a Hebrew exodus occurred in the 1200's, that would be your 400 years. As I said earlier, researchers who work from the Bible rather than conventional history, tend to support a 1447 exodus date. Others push it back even further. I have seen dates going back as far as the early 1600's which would make it contemporary with the 1600s erupt
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Even the most rigid of mindsets is built on assumptions (albeit pretty good ones) that sychronization points are properly interpreted. For example, one can look at the Omen Texts of the Ur III dynasty and assume they describe lunar and solar eclipses but... The language is interpreted from an ancient language by modern interpretors who are assuming meanings in the light of modern knowledge. A m
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Obviously my concluding question in the opening post repressed further comments and this was not my intent since this discussion is open to go in so many directions. Therefore, I will attempt to stimulate discussion with the following. Many people try to use the Bible to establish a chronology for the ancient near-east based on presumed anchors verified by conventional studies. For example, if
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
In another thread (The Greek Dark Ages), I briefly mentioned that several serious, alternative chronologies challenge the generally accepted chronology of the ancient near east. I think the discussion of alternative dating theories is worthy of its own thread. Conventional chronology is synchronized by a variety of methods, including known correspondences between kings of different empires, ast
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
"Climate change and the demise of Minoan civilization" A. A. Tsonis, K. L. Swanson, G. Sugihara, and P. A. Tsonis Department of Mathematical Sciences, Atmospheric Sciences Group, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Milwaukee, WI 53201, USA Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California San Diego, 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla, CA 92093-0202, USA Department of Biology, Un
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Strange information about the low-lying oaks vs higher altitude trees. What happened seems to be a mystery. I have seen attempts to correlate the epoch to possible impacts of cometary fragments from Encke but that seems more a popular argument than one based on scientific fact. It is known that comet Halley made an appearance during that timeframe but no impacts seems possible. There is also
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
I am interested in the exodus but still believe archaeological evidence must confirm it (and so far has not). Otherwise it will always be considered popular mythology. The destruction layer at Jericho is dated circa 1550 bc. It is a more sustainable date that 1200 BC according to the bible's own chronology. I think a 1200 dating is flawed.
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
NetWorkAngel wrote: > Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten > <; > > "The Old Testament makes it clear that Moses was neither a > Hebrew nor an Israelite. Exodus 2:19 specifically refers to > Moses as "an Egyptian". > If true, then Moses and Aaron were absconded by the Hebrews because their lineage from Abraham through the tribe of L
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
True, and I agree, but the records during the reign of the Hyksos kings are not of the same standard which indicates either they were destroyed after the hyksos were driven out, or the hyksos kings installed their own people to manage the priestly class. I am not well-versed in Egyptology like many on this board so I don't know why the records are so poor.
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Hi Vanya, In an attempt to pull this thread back on topic, I think it is interesting to look at the biblical (torah) accounts and try to understand three things: 1. Where the events which possibly led to a decline in 12th century mediterranean cultures recorded in the books (i.e. the 7 year famine)? 2. Were the Israeli people, one of the tribes of the Sea Peoples who were raiding lands around t
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Yes, but maybe you missed the point. The Hyksos, were NOT very good record keepers and if they were ruling the country when the hebrews were there, records may not exist.
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
If the Hebrews were indeed in Egypt (though I don't believe any archaeological evidence has been found), and the hyksos, as a different group were ruling the country, it may also be possible that the hyksos king was one who "did not know Joseph". If he drove them out of the country, the record of it may not exist. We don't even know who many of the hyksos rulers were, let alone what t
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Vanya wrote: > Hi Aine, > > well, I think that most probably we can talk about the Seven > Year Famine and so refer to Joseph, the son of Jacob (Israel), > mentionned in Genesis > (Genesis 37:36) > Jacob’s son Joseph, was turned on by his brothers and > ultimately sold into slavery on a caravan headed for Egypt. > Since there seems to be no prohibition against usin
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Pete Vanderzwet wrote: > Interesting idea. Identifying the Sea Peoples has been a bane > in the archaeological community for a century. I think the > most likely scenario now agreed upon is essentially huge bands > of multicultural free-lancing warriors. Perhaps. I find it curious, according to Egyptian depictions, the bands which attacked Egypt appear to be from two different uni
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
I have read some studies which suggest there was a real climate change during the period to drier conditions and reduced crop yields. It is not clear, however, if this was the cause of the upheaval which may have resulted in the Dark Age. There were earlier periods of similar climatic change which did not seem to greatly impact the population. Yesterday, while looking at some papers regarding
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Well, Pete, as you briefly mention in your previous post, barring natural disaster a common element to this wide-spread but Mediterranean centered collapse seems to have been the so-called Sea People.
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
I don't mind discussing Velikovsky in this context, although I think one does well to check his sources.
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Conventional chronology reveals the collapse and disappearance of the Mycenean culture beginning around 1200BCE. Some have speculated many reasons for this collapse, which happened quickly but was not instantaneous as suggested by catastrophe theorists. Following this collapse, Greece supposedly entered a 300 year period of obscurity during which very little is known of the culture, except for
Forum: History
8 years ago
Voyager
Interesting. Barnard's Loop is thought by some to be a photographic discovery, but there are people who claim to have seen it with the unaided-eye under very clear, dark skies.
Forum: Author of the Month
8 years ago
Voyager
So the Dogon supposedly saw Barnard's loop from space? Post Edited (12-May-11 00:02)
Forum: Author of the Month
8 years ago
Voyager
The photo is, of course, upside-down and opposite hand.
Forum: Author of the Month
9 years ago
Voyager
Latitude makes a huge difference in observing planets and other objects on the ecliptic. I asked a few specific questions of the author relative to this but I think they were lost in the other discussion. I simply do not have enough info or understanding of their claims to verify the Venus observation and its relation to the pendulum timing and the length of the so-called megalithic yard. The
Forum: Author of the Month
9 years ago
Voyager
A pendulum of 1/4 a meg. yard (i.e. 414.85mm has a period of 1.29147 seconds, so a half period of 0.6457 secs. - 1/10th of a percent greater than your quoted value. I suppose that is close enough for neolithic work. Regards, James
Forum: Author of the Month
9 years ago
Voyager
Hi Mr. Knight, Thanks for your response. Chris Knight wrote: > Hi > This has been checked over and reproduced by leading > mathematicians, physicists and astronomers - so it works ok. > No. I am sorry, but the maths are very simple using nothing more sophisticated than a square root and it does not work based on the measures you have cited. > Gordon Freeman, emeritus prof of c
Forum: Author of the Month
9 years ago
Voyager
In the article "Was our solar system designed to produce humans?" it is stated: Quote A pendulum that beat 366 times during one 366th of the Earth's turn was, much to our joy and amazement, half a Megalithic Yard in length! A circle scribed by such a pendulum would have a diameter of one Megalithic Yard. Finding this, interesting, I have attempted to duplicate the math and can not make
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