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11 years ago
drrayeye
j metevier wrote: > hello, > > what do YOU mean? > > > have you read through it? is it valid science? i'm curious > as to your opinion of what he states. i don't know if he's > right, but it sounds extremely plausible. this is why i put > it here. i want everyone to pick it apart. research it > along with me. > > john Please not only
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Dale, You've got the example wrong--lots of people believed that man could fly--the Wright Brothers arguably did it first. But you're focused on the wrong issue. You're really missing the point. The IPCC doesn't need to "prove" anything. They were asked to make a determination through consensus. They were not just an ordinary body of scientists--they represented scientists from th
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Buck 45 wrote: > I'm not sure what he ment by the third reason (immigration) > because we do play to it's strength every day. Every day > thousands of people become US citizens in the way that our > government requires it. Ray: Could you explain what you mean? How exactly does our government require that people become US citizens? It seems to me that nearly any people who show
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11 years ago
drrayeye
> Ray: Why would you join the fewer than 1% that disagree with an > international group of scientists... > > Dirk: There are two things to keep in mind here. > 1st, the "international group of scientists" are dependent upon > only a few actual researchers. For example, did you know there > is only ONE guy whose life's work has been on global ocean > warming?
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11 years ago
drrayeye
John, you say, "he explained scientifically why he believes the ice core data is flawed." What do yiou mean by that? Overall, I think the clowns would be a lot more fun, Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Sirfiroth wrote: > Hi Ray, > > Can you direct me to any of these studies? > > Based on what you have told me to date, "Temperature leads, and > C02 accelerates.", the logical conclusion could be warmer air > holds more C02. What source initially warms the air? Or did I > misunderstand what you stated? > > Regards, > > Jacob Hi Jacob, See: Be
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Sure, Jacob, I read his conclusion. . . . . but is he qualified to make such a judgement? He's neither a chemist nor a biochemist--he's a radiologist. Now, if he talked about nuclear contamination . . . . . Why would you join the fewer than 1% that disagree with an international group of scientists on the basis of an individual judgment by a nuclear radiologist out of his field quibbling abo
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11 years ago
drrayeye
From speech by President Bush: QuoteMy Cabinet-level working group has met regularly for the last 10 weeks to review the most recent, most accurate, and most comprehensive science. They have heard from scientists offering a wide spectrum of views. They have reviewed the facts, and they have listened to many theories and suppositions. The working group asked the highly-respected National Academy
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11 years ago
drrayeye
And I listen to your Canadian "public radio" toward midnite in California with great interest! (Note: I used to live close enough to the border to qualify as an adopted Canadian. R)
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Pete, I don't mean to be disrespectful--but aren't you a Canadian? Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
John, What exactly are you saying? The Polish nuclear pollution and dust guy doesn't like the work of the gas chemistry guys? Shouldn't he stick to pollution and dust? And why is ths guy writing to the US Congress? Doesn't he know that Bush is supporting the IPCC? Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Dirk, This is a paper by a chemist named Beck. He defends an outdated approach to CO2 measurement which presents wild fluctuations in CO2, especially in the 19th century. Some of it is consistent and some of it is inconsistent with IPCC. The Keeling Muana Loa data is gathered at the top of the Muana Loa volcano in Hawaii and shows a regular continuous rise since 1958. Beck is likely to be
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Jacob, The study you are proposing has been done many times in various different ways: The answer? Temperature leads, and CO2 accelerates. Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
SunSword wrote: > > The quality of the reporting on the panel's results vary. So be > wary and realize that most of what we see now is reporter's > statements about what the politicians said -- I haven't found a > direct reference to the actual report online yet. Hi Dirk, The Panel we're talking about is IPCC, and the IPCC consists of approximately 2000 scientists available t
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Sue, If you would like the USA to get out of Iraq immediately, why not at least have a good song to support your cause? For example: Waist Deep In The Big Muddy It was back in nineteen forty-two, I was a member of a good platoon. We were on maneuvers in-a Loozianna, One night by the light of the moon. The captain told us to ford a river, That's how it all begun. We were -- knee deep in th
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Mike, I don't believe that you should take Jacob's post seriously. His post reads a lot like media rants. To be fair, Jacob's rant is better and more literate than some of the TV talk show headliners. A serious discussion would evaluate the budget issues, the budget process, the political issues, and the political process. It takes a great deal of work. You can't get any of it in front of
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Jacob, Let me expand on your question: How are CO2 and temperature related--and which comes first? How are current changes different from the "natural way?" You are asking a very good question. At the risk of displaying considerable ignorance, let me try to at least add some meat to the discussion. First of all, the key variable is temperature--and we've only been measuring tem
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Jacob, Analyses of government policy are difficult to do and take a great deal of time. What you wrote sounded more like the entertainment that some people follow on TV or talk radio--sometimes misleadingly described as news opinion. I thought it was hilarious! I'm not entirely sure that you intended it that way any more. If you are serious, you need to focus your rhetoric, get specific--and
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11 years ago
drrayeye
William, I agree with you. I just have a different way of saying it. Best, Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Brilliant idea, Jacob, If your party is taking on the US Military, I'm in! I think we could probably cut deals with Blackhawk and Halliburton and even make a few bucks in the process. Meanwhile, we could use some of that money to: 1. pay back the debt and balance the budget 2. stabilize the economy (you know it's the economy that counts, Jacob, no?) 3. deal with enormous problems ranging
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Dirk, 1. Those "heat island" ideas you have are interesting speculations, but there is no data whatsoever to support them. Rural and urban sites are all mixed up. 2. It's not really the temperature trends by themselves that have caused the deepest concern--it's the CO2. It's time to move on. Best, Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Kim, I didn't do the study, but, if I had, I would have used the ice age "switch points" to determine cycles, and then averaged across the cycles for a zero point. I believe that data from multiple studies could be averaged in in that matter. I don't see any computational obstacles. All I was doing with my response to anomalies was presenting some evidence that temperature nat
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Hi William, QuoteIn investigating this question, Siegenthaler et al. say they obtained the best correlation between CO2 and temperature "for a lag of CO2 of 1900 years." Specifically, over the course of glacial terminations V to VII, they indicate that "the highest correlation of CO2 and deuterium, with use of a 20-ky window for each termination, yields a lag of CO2 to deuterium
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11 years ago
drrayeye
David, Are you saying that the Washington Times "Mooned" Nancy Pelosi? I didn't think they'd sink that low! Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Well said, Mitch, I completely agree! Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
Quinton, I know a great church in Orange County that would welcome him to come and pray for rain here any time he can fit it into his schedule. Ray
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11 years ago
drrayeye
SunSword wrote: > > Anyway, I don't think there's any more need to keep repeating > what > > everyone now accepts: Human made global warming is a reality. > > Actually, what everyone agrees on is that human > industrial/agricultural civilization produces heat directly, > and gases that have greenhouse effects. That is agreed upon. > What is not agreed upon is: >
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12 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Deep, "James" could have a very bright future in SoCal. Ray
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12 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Hoppy, Made me think of a song almost as old as us: Deportees (Plane Wreck at Los Gatos) Lyrics by Woody Guthrie Music by Martin Hoffman The crops are all in and the peaches are rotting The oranges are piled in their cresote dumps They're flying you back to the Mexico border To pay all your money to wade back again My father's own father, he waded that river They took all the money he made
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12 years ago
drrayeye
Hi Tom, Given that your "buck45" is only worth about 78 cents, maybe you better hope against yourself. Do we really want to discuss polemicist partisan political editorials? Best, Ray
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