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3 months ago
cladking
Warwick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In these articular discussions I can usually > discern those who have actually worked in large > scale materials handling from those who have not. > > Anyone who dismisses Manpower as the Prime force > in both working with and moving stone in the > ancient world is dreaming. > > The q
Forum: Mysteries
3 months ago
cladking
SandyJesse Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What if I told you that I know a guy that can run > it 3 min. flat. What would you think? Would you > spend the next twenty years trying to figure out > how he did it? A treadmill on a 747 oughtta do it. > Under Egyptologist's scenario, the sheer manpower > and support would break a coun
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > >they have to hold three times their weight in > >water. > How do you arrive at that fact, 3 to 1. > There are water displacement formula's & > Calculator online: The weight of air and water cancel out and the density is the determinant of the volume of a boat needed. Limestone
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A few things about using Funiculars up and out of > the quarries. It is feasible, just as it would be > over on the G1 cliffs. Your 4 1/2 rope size is > unnecessary, as you can just gang up smaller > diameter ropes to reach the same ability. If you > have a source for an AE  4.5" rope, I
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 40 tons? Those would be some mighty big ropes. Yes. Of course there's only 30 tons on the ropes since 10 tons is sitting on the cliff face. It's a nice gentle 35 degree bend at the top so there's little stress on the rope in the pulley or turning stone. I think a 4 1/2" rope would be more than adeq
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Once you are willing to adopt, and understand how > to use water as a counterweight, many things are > possible. Even lifting stones up and out of the > Quarry.  Why not. Modern people just don't think about ways to harness "natural" energy like wind, water, and altitude. So we don't se
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3 months ago
cladking
Thanos5150 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is the stated point of the OP and many of my > subsequent posts hence why I keep posting pictures > of pyramids that support this idea. As you predicted in the first post I did focus on the minutia. I think though you have made a very solid argument that all or most of the great pyramids, incl
Forum: Mysteries
3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > ? It's not for water, correct? The stone pullers > used it. :) Yeah, that's right; it's the Mouth of Ramps. ;)
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3 months ago
cladking
Thanos5150 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As an aside, we can see the Tura limestone casing > in situ: > I agree this looks like tower core as does Meidum. Do you believe this applies to other great pyramids and do you believe there are any implications about the way pyramids were constructed? Do you think that perhaps the pyramids might
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3 months ago
cladking
seasmith Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Trevorjjj Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Yup, spiral ramps increase the distance to be > > moved by absurd amounts, and straight ramps > > required massive amounts of structure which > then > > must be dismantled. > > > > Co
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3 months ago
cladking
QuoteThe main takeaway is, it is feasible. Yes. More feasible than "ramps" in terms of the ability to lift stones using primitive materials and primitive knowledge. QuoteHey guys...why such a big Canal for water? It looks like the same width as a Barge. Who would figure? This is a newly found channel at the Step Pyramid of Djoser. Maybe they just needed it to pull stones with rop
Forum: Mysteries
3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cladking Wrote: > > > There were two cliff face counterweights. >  They > > could easily handle the required capacity.   > > I would like to see how that worked. Did it use > water? Yes! Like all the stone lifting equipment these were linear funiculars, I believe. They h
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3 months ago
cladking
Trevorjjj Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yup, spiral ramps increase the distance to be > moved by absurd amounts, and straight ramps > required massive amounts of structure which then > must be dismantled. > > Counter-weighted vertical lifts are the only > sensible way to go - absent magic. This really has been solved by the fact
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3 months ago
cladking
Every part of the rope on the load has the same force. The "load" is defined as the entire string of barges. The load on each individual barge is the aggregate total of the barges at lower altitude.
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You are not understanding. I likely am confusing > you. My fault.  No one is stacking the entire > Pyramid down at the Nile. They are only getting > out in front of the Pyramid start date. There is > an abundance of room down there for 1-2 weeks of > needed stones, based on a 500 stones per d
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hopefully I was clear enough.  Nobody is cutting > all the stone for the Pyramid. Once they cut > enough to get out front of the start building > date, they continues at the rate of 500 stones per > day. They continued cycling their workload, once > the Pyramid started. > Let me know if
Forum: Mysteries
3 months ago
cladking
Look at the size of the pyramid; Do you really see a place down by the river to store any significant part of it? Where are they going to get all the wood to make thousands of sleds that will get worn being dragged over desert sand? You seem to still be missing my point that for every foot you pull a stone downhill away from your destination you have to pull it exactly one foot back
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I keep thinking I > made a mistake somewhere. If I did, I can't find > it. I'm sure you did but I'm not sufficiently clear in what you're thinking to be certain what it is. In order for this "balance scale" to work you need about 3x the volume of stone in water. All these barges connecte
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3 months ago
cladking
You're right, i should have let it go. Have you tinkered around with the numbers to try to get the acceleration up? It looks like velocity could be an issue at this low angle.
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3 months ago
cladking
QuoteThe balance scale. Two platforms which are equal in weight. A state of equilibrium exists. NO!!! This isn't the way the real world works. One side is always heavier than the other. Even after you "0" it out the pans can never be exactly equal. Neither is heavy enough to overcome the friction of the system. A tiny piece of feather placed on one side will cause the scale to ac
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3 months ago
cladking
They would need a port in order to transfer them to a barge to be transshipped to the G1 port. OK, so maybe the G2 port was already in existence or there was a Sphinx Port. No problem. But how many stones could be staged at this small area? In order to store a substantial number you'd need to stack them and then you'd need a means to stack and unstack them. There could be no substantial number
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3 months ago
cladking
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Clayton Wrote: > > Yes, a ramp (Incline Plain) is lifting. Though > it > > requires less energy than a dead lift. > > No!!! > > It requires more. Much much more. Indeed, using > primitive technology, materials and knowledge it > might require as much as about 50 ti
Forum: Mysteries
3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Author: cladking () > Date: March 26, 2020 07:57PM > Again "lifting" is increasing the potential energy > of an object by increasing its altitude. The means > of lifting is irrelevant to this definition. > Sliding a stone upward on a ramp IS "lifting". > > "i
Forum: Mysteries
3 months ago
cladking
In the real world friction is mostly independent of EVERYTHING except normal force and the nature of the materials. Speed is also mostly irrelevant except as it approaches terminal velocity but even here total friction is about the same. I suppose at least in theory there would be higher friction at very low speeds but this is irrelevant in the real world too. Once the object is accelerated su
Forum: Mysteries
3 months ago
cladking
Again "lifting" is increasing the potential energy of an object by increasing its altitude. The means of lifting is irrelevant to this definition. Sliding a stone upward on a ramp IS "lifting".
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3 months ago
cladking
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The pavement, mason's shop, causeways, port and > associated facilities (composed largely of tura > stone for cannibalization) required an enormous > expenditure in time and effort. They built a > machine that built pyramids right in place. Come to think of it the causeway that was N/ S next to
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A barge carrying 12 stones need to be > pulled of the top of the Causeway every 12 to 16 > minutes. You're still fixating on all stone coming up the causeway even though the quarry is right next to the pyramid and in a different direction. Most stones were pulled straight out of the quarry and str
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3 months ago
cladking
thinkitover Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > vid-Kenworthy-ebook/dp/B083WMKNTP/ > > ..I think things are > close enough that we seem to speak different > dialects of the very same mathematical and > metrological language. With our mathematics there "is" an infinite number of ways to skin a cat. &g
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I want you to look over my Incline Plain > Calculator, in the other thread, and see if you > can understand it. If you can't understand it, > then likely others will not be able too. Of course it's right. I didn't check it but these things are drawn up by engineers and they will always have the
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3 months ago
cladking
Steve Clayton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > OK, well that is Franz Lohners calculations. He > took into account days off. In saying that, he is > not infallible. He needs to take the workers off the ladders and put them in counterweights. It's just too dangerous using his method. It would also help if he put them on the opposite side of the
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