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9 years ago
Morph
I fail to understand the logic here as this implies that they were tied to the outer sphere and the outer sphere simply stayed in its allotted position with no linkage or connection to the axis. However, the dialogue is not very clear in this respect anyway anyway so I will not argue further on that particular point. I have followed earlier models which are very similar and while not so detailed,
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9 years ago
Morph
What I am referring to here is the fact that his chains ties or bonds, whichever terminology you wish to apply, have to be attached to something and that something has, by definition, to be the universal axis, that around which he describes Earth as 'winding'. This passes through the celestial poles and the north celestial pole is where these attachments are made in other similar versions. Logica
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9 years ago
Morph
Of course, we agree that it was allegory but where we disagree is upon what was the allegory based? If my model is accepted then the full description of islands and continent is explained including the island and city description and all falls into place. This is not seen in the conventional model. I agree that this appears a little odd in the context of his other writings but that does not mean
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9 years ago
Morph
Did Plato adapt an eastern model or devise his own from Greek info alone? We shall never know but we can be sure that he would have been aware of much learning that emanated from the east and from India in particular. The possibility therefore remains that my model may be correct. While as I stated, I can understand your feelings toward my suggestions it has to be admitted that the conventional
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9 years ago
Morph
What I have 'suggested' for India is not a suggestion but a fact, it is drawn directly from Indian writings as is made abundantly plain in the book. You're welcome to make of Indian writings what you will, but i think it's now been conclusively demonstrated that that what you proposed as the inspiration for Platos model of Atlantis has shown to be outside of the capabilities and interest of Pla
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9 years ago
Morph
I have not utilised Plato's model because while indeed it describes the celestial spheres...and in fact tells us that he was aware or precession...please note...before Hipparchus...it is too far away from the Indian model to comply. In fact your reference to the 'chains' that hold all together is missing from the two translations that I have here, those of Desmond Lee and Donald J. Zeyl so from w
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9 years ago
Morph
have previously made it clear that the diagram would have been quite easy to construct. There can be no problem with this. That the constellation in polar position was of importance to the Indian seers would also have been understood via cultural exchange, it would not have been overly secretive as it was described in the texts that even if one does not accept the latest dating for Indian narrat
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9 years ago
Morph
However this raises the point of when was the Pole of the Ecliptic discovered /understood? By whom in which region? If the information regarding this on the maps is of a later date, who inserted it? Just maybe this information was available to the Greeks at that period. Is there any positive proof that they did not have such material? If it transpires that they did have such learning, then thi
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9 years ago
Morph
I state that is not a disaster because it was used in the text as evidence in a debate NOT about the ability of the Greeks and Mapping but of the validity of claims of knowledge of the pole of the ecliptic as I thought was clear. Call it what you will, but as you state at the begining of that chapter maps and Celestial star charts are a key theme of the book, and you use a Dutch 18th centruy ma
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9 years ago
Morph
The Republic was HIS ideal. Yes were everybody and everything had its proper place with regards to your statement; He wrote to provoke one to think about one's Place in the big picture..not to tell anyone what that place should be. Now obviously Plato was never in a position to tell people what their place should be, but he did propose a society were everyone had their place according to
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9 years ago
Morph
Why is it so damnable imperative to you to shoot me down? You state that I have a serious problem...indeed I have and that problem is you and your pathetically antagonistic attitude I'm offering constructive criticism of the chapter you refered me to... I claimed, rightly or wrongly but in good faith, as my information was derived from what appeared to us over a decade ago now to be a re
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9 years ago
Morph
The scenario is allegorical as I have stated, and as we now seemingly agree, as also is the flood myth and as is other material of the age. Yes, the Earth would be placed at the centre as the pivoting point of Hercules was Tau Hercules when in position as pole star You need to provide evidence Plato had any concern with such, Hercules is only mentioned in connection with the geographical pilla
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9 years ago
Morph
Chapter 7 of Deluge explains this and a great deal more regarding the pole star theory. You have a serious problem there, the map you use in chapter 7.2 page 224, tht you attribute to Eratosthenes are from the edition of Aratus by Johann Buhle (Leipzig, 2 volumes, 1793-1801) Heres your discourse on the map page 224 attributing them to Eorosthenes And here's who actually produced those
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9 years ago
Morph
He wrote to provoke one to think about one's Place in the big picture..not to tell anyone what that place should be. He seemed to have everyones place sorted out in his work The Republic... Morph
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9 years ago
Morph
You miss the point. The essence of the description is indicate a time and the evidence indicates that Plato chose this constellation as a marker. It approaches from the west to its northerly position but the date Plato was giving was before this constellation was in position hence the before or beyond the Pillars of Hercules. The time that is indicated is the time of the Neolithic expansion f
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9 years ago
Morph
“Investigations….have revealed that a Pole Star is viable in ancient tradition for three degrees (measured horizontally) either side of pole position or a total of 1000 years.” The only scenario that reminds me of is the case for Egyptian alignment of celestial North using Mizar and Kochab, were Draco progressed over time across this vertical axis formed by the two stars in terms of relative
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9 years ago
Morph
The description of the city as such is simply to identify the constellation. The constellation is indicative of a date. It is additionally indicative of further events that occurred circa the other side of 9000 BC at Sundaland from where a great deal of information was eventually derived. But there's no evidence whatsoever to correlate the description of the city to celestial North/ a conste
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9 years ago
Morph
is there be a map of our solar system in the description of atlantis ? There is a suggested model of the solar system in the Timaeus, but it's an Geocentric one. According to Plato, the Earth was a sphere, stationary at the center of the universe. The stars and planets were carried around the Earth on spheres or circles, arranged in the order (outwards from the center): Moon, Sun, Venus, Mer
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9 years ago
Morph
It's aimed at anyone who wants to understand Plato's theory of sevenfold division...though people prefer to decide for themselves what he had in mind. Morph
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9 years ago
Morph
This is Platos theory on sevenfold division which you failed to mention... Now God did not make the soul after the body, although we are speaking of them in this order; for having brought them together he would never have allowed that the elder should be ruled by the younger; but this is a random manner of speaking which we have, because somehow we ourselves too are very much under the domini
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9 years ago
Morph
You infer that you have read my work yet you have not cited a single line of it you have only referenced my posts. So what is your complaint? That I am not attempting to defend my position? Without knowledge in full of what I have written, which you appear not to have as you have supplied not a single scrap of evidence that you have read the work, you have no real idea of what is behind my asser
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9 years ago
Morph
Was the account of Plato not received from alternative origins than Greek culture? If so, then Plato's world view would not necessarily be applicable to the story of Atlantis which he is retelling. It's premise is fictional dialogue to elaborate upon philosophical and scientific understasndings, including cyclic cataclysm. Critias narrates the Atlantis story given by Solon, priest of Sais
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9 years ago
Morph
Well if you cannot defend your most basic premise that the Atlantis mythos was concerned with stellar positions relative to celestial North, against my counter proposition that the world view of Plato was the rotation of the Celestial dome in a singular direction of East to West as explained in Tmaeus, his Atlas elaboration, there isn't really anything worthy of consideration... it's just your un
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9 years ago
Morph
You are passing judgements and making statements that you cannot support. When you have read my work...and not merely the Atlantis section but the reinforcing background that deals with the flood myth, in other words most of Deluge, then pass comment, because as it stands you are in no position to make any statement that refers to the validity or otherwise of the book. You assume, wrongly, tha
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9 years ago
Morph
I will not debate your points regarding Greek mythology here as the discussion is about Atlantis, an invention of Plato and not Homer. Plato does not utilise Greek mythology in his Atlantis tale other than a mention of some of the gods. Therefore to try to contradict my statements utilising such material simply does not work. To counter my arguments there is only one text that can be utilised and
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9 years ago
Morph
The key is the polar skies with the North Celestial Pole Star being the central point. Not with the Atlas mythos, Atlas and the Pillars of Hercules were concerned with the Western extremity of Uranus (sky), Gaia (Earth), and Atlas the son of Titan Iapetus (son of Uranus and Gaia) and the Oceanid Asia. When the Titans were defeated, many of them (including Menoetius) were confined to Tart
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9 years ago
Morph
I had a look at the positioning of the TOB using Andrew's map indicating the entrance in relationship to my considered overall schemata for Giza which is essentialy ten sector division centred upon the sphinx, albeit with extended complexity. Anyway basicaly one could say that a line extending from the sphinx touching upon the NE corner of G2 best illustrates position correspondant to this sugge
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10 years ago
Morph
There are no "gatekeepers" but ourselves and our teacher. If you want to go through "tisra til"--the tenth door, as the eastern Shabd mystics called it, you seek and you knock until you go through. That door is the eye-center and crown chakras, and no other entities may pass through it into the physical plane from within. The statement that there are no gatekeepers is at v
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10 years ago
Morph
Perhaps the experiances you describe could be seen as examples of extreme 'in the box' thinking, albeit not in the commonly understood sense of the term.,,perhaps also everytime the door to the box is opened the traffic is not one way. The gatekeepers do not appear to be always present. Morph
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11 years ago
Morph
Later Sphinxes were rendered with bodies naturally proportioned, and refined expression of form appears as the main criteria. With the Sphinx at Giza the rendering of the natural form is compromised, apparantly for reason of function, in that a long and flat elongated platform upon the back of the Sphinx appears to have been required, presumably for people to stand upon and perform the sort of
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