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1 year ago
Corpuscles
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SC: I discussed this in a long, private > conversation with Robert in August 2017, so after > the youtube link you gave. For the avoidance of > doubt, it's my view, and always has been, that > there are some marks in these 'Vyse Chambers' that > I believe are probably genuine and others that
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1 year ago
Martin Stower
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Merrell, > > Let me put this to you in a slightly different > way. > > Putting aside the considerable differences that > exist between your cited examples of the boat pit > marks and the Goyon marks from those inside the GP > chambers, . . . A thoroughly disingenuous opening:
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1 year ago
Merrell
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ... > Merely pointing to other posters who take the view > that my hypothesis is wrong does not make the > disputed marks in G1 genuine - and never will. > This is why I am asking you to explain to me why > you think the boat pit marks & the Goyon marks > prove that the marks in G1 ar
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1 year ago
Merrell
Thank you, Scott. > SC: I am not at all sure what point you are trying to > make with your reply. Well: sfbey sums it up here: QuoteYou have no evidence that Vyse copied the cartouches along with crew names from some secret cache. And then according to you he destroyed the original crew names? What a pitiful argument. Really? That's all you got?
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1 year ago
Merrell
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All you have thus far done is to show that there > were plenty of painted marks elsewhere at Giza > outside G1, so it is not at all unreasonable to > suggest then that Vyse or his assistants could > have stumbled upon a cache of such genuine marks > (as Alford & I both suggest) which Vy
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1 year ago
Martin Stower
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not so difficult to understand why Vyse might have > felt compelled to copy these two cartouches of the > King (along with what we now know as the Horus > name) into the chambers. See HOAX, > p.25-26. > > SC I have. What you present is a convoluted argument that Vyse got the idea f
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1 year ago
Corpuscles
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > QuoteMerrell: Her findings fit in with other > findings about comparable marks in other > locations. > > SC: Which in no way proves that the marks in G1 > are genuine artefacts from the 4th dynasty. Do you > have anything else - preferably something with a > more solid, hard sc
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1 year ago
Martin Stower
Quote restored to make it clear who I was answering and what exactly I wrote: LonelyAngel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Martin Stower Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Scott Creighton Wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > SC: Which in no way proves that the
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1 year ago
Warwick
Martin Stower Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Warwick Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ...Has Vyse been in it? > > Maybe it’s the location of “secret cache” > we’ve heard so much about. > > M. If it's Vyse's 'secret cache' I wouldn't go poking a lit torch into any opening to get
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1 year ago
Martin Stower
Warwick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...Has Vyse been in it? Maybe it’s the location of the “secret cache” we’ve heard so much about. M. Edited 2019-10-06 to add an article inadvertantly omitted.
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1 year ago
Martin Stower
Warwick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > after reading the entire thread...I'd like to put > forward the notion that Boat Pits were associated > with the RITUAL or Celebration they were a > Mechanism of. The variables re number and > orientation can therefore be seen to be a > combination of said Ritual/s and Site Logistics. > > I
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2 years ago
Martin Stower
Corpuscles Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is ABSOLUTELY clear, is that the gyphs are > partially damaged and therefore are not and cannot > possibly be the work of a master forger who had > painted them as a direct copy , in pristine new > paint (from some hypothetical "secret" source) > only a month or so before. Surely th
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2 years ago
Martin Stower
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > sfbey Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > The interpretations and examples of the signs > > presented and the discussions of the "Zeroth > > Ordinal" from the various sources he cited and > > his statement about the unlikelihood of a 19
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2 years ago
Martin Stower
Well, yeah, if Vyse had such amazingly good luck as to find this secret cache and keep it secret, why would he go beyond it? Why risk spoiling it all by gilding the ginger nuts? As ever, the character is given no plausible motivation. M.
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2 years ago
Corpuscles
Martin Stower Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Scott Creighton Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Em no - go and look at what Stower's been > saying. > > In CC they are actually upside-down. They are > > flipped 'n' signs. THAT is what I have been > > saying. > > > > S
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2 years ago
Scott Creighton
eyeofhorus33 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here: > > < > 7,1136872#msg-1136872> > > where you wrote: > > QuoteOne would not have required a secret cache > to copy and flip 'hieroglyphic' numbers in Vyse's > time. Hi Matt, You will see I placed the word 'hieroglyphic' between '' marks. What I am meaning he
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2 years ago
eyeofhorus33
Here: <; where you wrote: QuoteOne would not have required a secret cache to copy and flip 'hieroglyphic' numbers in Vyse's time.
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2 years ago
Martin Stower
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Morten Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Scott Creighton Wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Your video merely visualises what is already > > > believed by mainstreamers to have occurred. > >
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2 years ago
Scott Creighton
Morten Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Scott Creighton Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Your video merely visualises what is already > > believed by mainstreamers to have occurred. > > There is more to it than that. My proposal, > exactly, is the only sensible explanation for ho
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2 years ago
Morten
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Your video merely visualises what is already > believed by mainstreamers to have occurred. There is more to it than that. My proposal, exactly, is the only sensible explanation for how the signs ended upside down. Painting while standing atop the stones? Does not work. No "flipping" req
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2 years ago
Martin Stower
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Vyse has no knowledge of hieratic. He looks as > these signs as 'painted hieroglyphics'. In his own > book he calls these painted signs 'hieroglyphics'. > As such, Vyse probably believed that these signs > being merely painted hieroglyphics could be read > from either direction so it simply d
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2 years ago
Martin Stower
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SC: All I ask is that we see somewhere > outside the Vyse Chambers an ordinal 'n' on its > side (that is clearly NOT a date) and which is > contemporary with the early Old Kingdom period. > There must be an abundance of such examples - I > looked but couldn't find any. Finding just one >
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2 years ago
Martin Stower
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Martin Stower Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Scott Creighton Wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Can you present a hieratic example of the ordinal > > > 'eleventh', 'twelth' etc, where the hieratic te
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2 years ago
Corpuscles
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > No! > > The fact is Scott Creighton has everything but the > dripping paint brush and the smoking gun. Good point! He should have made them up too! Perfect match for the non existent chemical analysis of the paint, the imaginary secret cache of 4th Dynasty hieratic/hieroglyphs (not very scie
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2 years ago
cladking
Corpuscles Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You really mean to tell me that in the presence > and opportunity of instruction of: R Avry Wilson, > M. Stower, eyeofhorus33, Warwick , (hunch Merrell > is lurking) that the best you can find for advice > is dear Sam (ck)? I think everyone knows by now that Egyptology dead ends at the top of a r
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2 years ago
Corpuscles
Scott Creighton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > eyeofhorus33 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Scott Creighton Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Hi CK, > > > > > > Many thanks for this. I certainly concur t
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3 years ago
Merrell
eyeofhorus33 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ... > there is no "secret cache" ... that idea > belongs in the toy box with the tooth fairy and > Santa Claus. Spoilsport! :(
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3 years ago
eyeofhorus33
Hi Corp You wrote: QuoteFinally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it? He didn't know because Vyse was not a hieroglyphic scholar and did not know about inscription convention, much less OK hieratic! Vyse simply transcribed in his journal
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3 years ago
Warwick
Corpuscles Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > M. J. Thomas Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Corpuscles Wrote: > > > > > if there is one > > > original cartouche up there then Creightons > > theory > > > crumbles faster than a house of cards in a > > > hur
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3 years ago
Merrell
Corpuscles Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ... > Vyse & Co only 20 years after Champollion cracked > the bare basics of the language only had a source > of two published works to copy from or learn a > little bit about but they might also have crossed > paths with the very young brilliant German > Lepsius. Well ... Lepsius didn't
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