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6 years ago
Milo
eyeofhorus33 wrote: > The interesting thing about the diverse meanings is that the > dictionary associates negative connotations with "artful" as a > synonym for 'subtil'. > > The flip side of each of the negative connotations of the > synonyms "sly" and "crafty" are "intelligent"; "perceptive" ; > "shrewd" ; "
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6 years ago
Milo
colt wrote: > In Genesis it says "Now the serpent was more subtil than any > beast of the field" The word to describe the serpent is > "subtil" and most people read "subtle". The word used here is > "subtil" means "having fine structure, not gross or dense; > rarified; attenuated; ethereal, hence penetrating as a subtil > perfume&qu
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6 years ago
Milo
randompHactor wrote: > Amazing, the degree of bigotry evinced by some members. Hmmm... so much for your 'we are all one' theory! Post Edited (06-Jul-13 22:26)
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6 years ago
Milo
randompHactor wrote: > A real one. A fully rounded one. Not just a degree of one. Okaaaaey...
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6 years ago
Milo
randompHactor wrote: > If the general public did not know about LSD then the street > corner lunatic would be seen as a prophet! As it is we > recognize they may be slightly deranged from too much drug use! I've never heard of people attending Oxford and Cambridge Universities to gain PhDs and Doctorates in the writings of 'street corner lunatics'. You should be a journalist for
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6 years ago
Milo
randompHactor wrote: > Ya, but in the beginning...the plants were essential. Possibly, but also possibly not. There is doubt... Having studied the complexities of biblical prophecy in the Bible, I don't think they could have been drug induced. If drugs could produce such incredible visions, the planet would be flooded with such texts, but this is not the case.
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6 years ago
Milo
randompHactor wrote: > Yeah, maybe so, but I think the origin of all belief in all > gods derives from chemically induced altered states. And then > drug free people maintain the illusion. Of course, that is your belief, but I don't believe that is the case. I believe drugs actually muddy the mind and in the long term, cause more alienation from God and fellow man.
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6 years ago
Milo
randompHactor wrote: > There certainly is a long history of altered states being the > norm for ancient man. It's easy to see how that might have led > to belief in gods. Drugs are a poor man's substitute for spiritual experience.
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7 years ago
Milo
The debt bomb - The Global Financial Crisis Stripped Bare: Post Edited (02-Mar-13 22:34)
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7 years ago
Milo
It appears a few posters have had their consciences pricked and methinks they are protesting too loudly. Perhaps they're afraid of being sued? A quote from David Brin's article, linked to by Ray at the start of this thread: QuoteIf the Denier Movement's knowing and deliberate obstruction of climate remediation can be plausibly shown to have contributed toward vast losses of real and intangi
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7 years ago
Milo
drrayeye wrote: > For a monumental effort. > > It's a major reason why I've become a lurker. > > Ray You're welcome, Ray! :) -
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > > "However, invocation of reductio ad Hitlerum or (particularly > > on the internet) the related Godwin's Law may not be out of > > line where such a comparison is reasonable (for example, in > > discussions of dangers involved in eugenics or tolerance of > > racist and nationalist political parties). In such contexts,
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > endofworldbook wrote: > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > As happened before in an unrelated discussion, you keep > > > changing your position. Initially, you maintained that > there > > > was no such comparison -- it was simply imagined. Now, > > you're > > > saying that the
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7 years ago
Milo
endofworldbook wrote: > Rob, > > As happened before in an unrelated discussion, you keep > changing your position. Initially, you maintained that there > was no such comparison -- it was simply imagined. Now, you're > saying that there is a comparison, but it's not literal so it's > fine. > > Literal or not, it's both offensive and divisive. Justin, It's impossib
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > You know, if nothing else, I think this whole subthread just > goes to illustrate the point: names and labels matter. > > Words are important. They convey ideas and feelings, and the > way in which they're expressed matters. This is especially > important on an internet forum, because you can't see the > person at the other end. You can't see body language or
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7 years ago
Milo
endofworldbook wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > There is nothing in the dictionary that links the word > "denier" > > with the holocaust. It was used as a metaphor. We'll just > have > > to agree to disagree. > > Rob, > > The use of the term "denier" invokes images of the Holocaust. > In some cases, deliberately so. > > endofw
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > > Nonsense. If someone denies that the earth is round and they > > get compared to someone who denies the holocaust, that does not > > mean that the person who denies the earth is round is denying > > the holocaust happened. It's you who can't understand simple > > logic even. > > > > Rob, feel free to argue w
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > Aine wrote: > > > > > endofworldbook wrote: > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > > > My objection to the use of the word "denier" was that it > > > > conjures up images of "Holocaust denier". It was an ad > > > hominem > > > > attack. Metaph
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7 years ago
Milo
endofworldbook wrote: > > I never implied or acted as if there was no invocation of the > holocaust. > > Rob, > > Yes, you did. In your post titled "Definition of the word > 'denier'" (dated 21-Feb-13 13:47) you stated: > > "I don't see anything in the dictionary definition to do with > holocaust denial. If you both are feeling that you're bein
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > Dr. Lew Graham wrote: > > > > > Aloha Rob, > > > > > > Who is personalizing? I politely suggest that you > > re-read.... > > > > > > Justin pointed out that there is a difference between a > > > metaphor and a simile. And there is. Look it up if you > > doubt. > > >
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7 years ago
Milo
carolb wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > carolb wrote: > > > > > Milo wrote: > > > > > > > Justin and Lew, > > > > > > > > Dictionary definition of the word "denier": > > > > > > > > One that denies: a denier of harsh realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > &g
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7 years ago
Milo
Dr. Lew Graham wrote: > Aloha Rob, > > Who is personalizing? I politely suggest that you re-read.... > > Justin pointed out that there is a difference between a > metaphor and a simile. And there is. Look it up if you doubt. > > Did you read what you responded to? No one is talking > 'literal' here. The across-threads discussion has been about > the use of
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > endofworldbook wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > My objection to the use of the word "denier" was that it > > conjures up images of "Holocaust denier". It was an ad > hominem > > attack. Metaphor or not (I would say simile, but that's > beside > > the point), the Goodman quote demonstrates that that the >
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine wrote: > endofworldbook wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > First, you acted as though there was never any invocation of > > the Holocaust simply by the use of the word "denier". Now, > > having shown you that it's clearly there, you've changed > > tactics and are arguing that I'm making too big a deal out of > > it. > > > > Si
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7 years ago
Milo
endofworldbook wrote: > Rob, > > First, you acted as though there was never any invocation of > the Holocaust simply by the use of the word "denier". Now, > having shown you that it's clearly there, you've changed > tactics and are arguing that I'm making too big a deal out of > it. > > Since when did it become OK to compare your enemies to Nazi > sympa
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7 years ago
Milo
Justiin, I disagree. It's a metaphor. You're focusing too much on the wrong issue obviously as a means to avoid the real issue.
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7 years ago
Milo
carolb wrote: > Milo wrote: > > > Justin and Lew, > > > > Dictionary definition of the word "denier": > > > > One that denies: a denier of harsh realities. > > > > > > > > I don't see anything in the dictionary definition to do with > > holocaust denial. If you both are feeling that you're being >
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7 years ago
Milo
endofworldbook wrote: > Rob, > > Here again is the Goodman quote: > > "I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is > impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers > are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the > past and the other denies the present and future." > > > > How is "global warm
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7 years ago
Milo
Aine, You brought up the subject in this post:
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7 years ago
Milo
Justin, It's not about equating. It's a metaphor and you're taking it too literally.
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