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13 years ago
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Hancock's 'Keeper of Genesis' covers this pretty well. it's ten years old now but nothing much has been done at the site since. I often wonder if the Egyptian authorities are secretly terrified that someone will tear the Giza structures apart looking for treasure. The more likely answer I feel is that this is pure personality politics and bad management.
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13 years ago
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I think the 'A' word should go away and give itself a jolly good scrub!
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13 years ago
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I want to know where the Mayans recorded this revolution, or was it all invention and assumption? Revolutions tend to happen for a reason, some stress on society making the population rethink thier world view. If it were just a coup, then the usurpers would want to restore balance to society and the civilisation would survive.
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13 years ago
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Graham admits in Sign & the Seal that he has only put forward a likely hypothesis. This is the only book on the subject I can read with a straight face. Confirmation would require carbon dating of the ark at least, something it's keepers will never permit. Incidentally Mr Hancock also made a documentary on the same subject I remember seeing years ago on the Discovery channel.
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13 years ago
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My personal most likely hypothesis is that ROA or OOA is mostly correct, except that a minority of our ancestry came from local human populations as well. Do we have an acronym for that opinion? I also believe that these peoples were our equals in most respects. There culture could have been retarded by the exteme environment in which they lived.
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13 years ago
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I still wonder if Toba was the primary cause for the bottleneck. A decades long nuclear winter should wipe out frogs, yet they thrive. On the inbreeding front I recall hearing that native Hawaiians married their siblings until the arrival of Christain missionaries. Thinking the bottleneck matter through further I wonder if the population of 70k BC individually might have been intellectually super
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13 years ago
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Yes Atlantis belongs in the same category as Negro. A once normal word which through long abuse has become an insult. The likes of Zahi Howass use it all the time to belittle serious research into any civilisation before 3000BC. Think about it. Atlantis has been used as the basis of so many fantasy and comic strip stories that it too has become a legendary beast. There is also the point that
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13 years ago
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3128. Re: Asia
A big evil nuclear winter scenario has a major problem. I recall Dr Robert Baker pointing out that if the Chichelou impact caused a nuclear winter and wiped out dinosaurs, ammonites, etc some of the first casualties would be frogs. Big animals tend to be the ones dicing with extinction in most exctinction events. Frogs are not known to suffer mass exctinction, yet they are highly vulnerable to te
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13 years ago
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Another fairly interesting news item.
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13 years ago
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I believe the first Neanderthal bones discovered were of an older severely arthritic man. At first his appearance was assumed to be the norm, and a brutish one at that. Later observation showed that he would not have been able to fend for himself in later years. His community must have fed him.
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13 years ago
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As requested; I don't think you understood the point about the limitations of mitochondrial and Y DNA. They only show the line of Mother-Maternal Grandmother-etc or Father-Paternal Grandfather etc. All of the genetic inheritance in the genome between these two extremes is left unexamined from these tests.
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13 years ago
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I don't see how you can be so certain that Neanderthals were inferior, their cranial capacity was superior and the other evidence on them is scant. The big problem with DNA evidence comparison on current human and Neanderthal examples is that they only show two hereditary lines out of thousands. Pick two people at random from a modern town. If both are Anglo-Saxon have you proven all people in th
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13 years ago
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Fascinating. Are there reported signs of tool marks on the stones? Is there a map showing the layout of the site?
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13 years ago
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The Greek myths tended to describe the underworld literally as being beneath this world. When Herakles or Theseus entered the underworld it was via a deep cave to the inner world. On the point of needing to know a culture to understand its speakers I agree that a good knowledge of the traditions and religion is essential. In the case of Greek myth it is a joy in of itself. I think in general we
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13 years ago
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The problem here is that Plato publicly insisted that his story was based on truth. Whether true or accurate or not, he seemed convinced of it's existence. You could argue rather more strongly that the people who remained in the cave were the metaphor for the archetypal sceptic, dismissing any idea which contradicted their existing precepts of the world. As I have said before Atlantis is the wea
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13 years ago
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Privacy and secrecy are obvious reasons to use such out of the way places for paintings. Also these are weird and spooky places with a distinct atmosphere. As for living in caves, most hunters gatherers have developed things like huts and tents for that. Caves tend to be dank and a bit yuck to live in. The cave man is a term rather like sabre toothed tiger, a creation of the media, not a scient
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13 years ago
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Point one, our ancestors did not live in caves. They left paintings in them, but this was not home. It would be a bit odd doing an hours potholing just to get from the doorstep to the lounge! Secondly, your argument is self-destroying. We start off assuming that there are no people building magaliths because we find none, then some turn up (perhaps), so therefore we should assume that people did
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13 years ago
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I don't see a major problem with Billiy Bob's speculation. The great dilemma is that there is scant information for the period, so people tend to extrapolate to the extreme ends of possibility.
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13 years ago
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Venice is reputed to have been sinking for centuries.
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13 years ago
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Venice was built by Roman Latins as the western Empire disintegrated. They built on a series of islands because it was an ideal defensive position.
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13 years ago
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The type of army described seems to be based on an Hellenic force, only scaled up. This is unfortunately one of the more dubious parts of Plato's Atlantis. Also you can't compare modern army/civilian ratios with a classical greek force which would represent all able bodied citizens. We can only guess at why Plato included this detail, the least likely scenario seems that it represented a real gro
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13 years ago
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How curious, I moved to Sleaford a few years ago and never realised what was on my new doorstep, other than housemartin guano. For one who is familiar with Henry Lincoln but not Dan Brown is there a daytrippers guide to interesting and relevant places in Lincolnshire?
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13 years ago
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I noticed that the primary criticism of the report lay in the absence of any officially credited archeaologists being involved. Were any willing to take part? "If metal is found at the site then it is clearly a post-Harappan settlement and not pre-Harappan as is being claimed." This quote sums up the attitudes of the authors perfectly. In other words, major new discoveries cannot be ma
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13 years ago
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Santorini has two major problems namely date and location. Plato described somewhere beyond the Med and 10,000 years previous. There have been numerous cities destroyed by the sea over the last few thousand years. In @10,500BC Innumerable settlements would have been inundated. I fear that the problem is that the name Atlantis has mutated to mean something magical and ethereal. Egyptologists use
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13 years ago
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Isn't it a blind alley to look for a lost people? Everyone would have been a refugee to some extent circa 10,500BC. Moreover with most of the best land flooded, there must have been multiple flooded cities. Consider how little of western culture could be recreated from an average selection of people. The more advanced a technology the easier it is to lose. The ancient Egyptians were not visited b
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13 years ago
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I am inclined to wonder whether the shift from hunter- gatherer to agrarian lifestyle was made out of choice or neccessity. Most modern hunters don't seem interested in tending fields and mucking out animal pens when they could be picking berries and lobbing spears instead. Did a group such as the Shemsu Hor, occupying the last section of arable land in the region step out of the margins and rein
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13 years ago
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There would have been more than a doubling of Knowledge: the population to habitable land ratio would also have shifted. With the Sahara now barren a hunter-gatherer lifestlye may have been abandoned because only organised agriculture could sustain the numbers of people in the region. The Tut glass was dated to 30million BC (BBC Horizon), so not man made.
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13 years ago
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I note that the Egyptian henge story was released on April 1! Much of this works to undermine a classic attack upon Hancock's theories, that there was a great dark age between 10,000BC and 3,000BC. The Sahara is a great place to lose something, perhaps even a whole culture. Interesting that the earliest pottery described was of a highly sophisticated form.
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13 years ago
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Thanks for the data Andy. I agree that 0.5 % is a big chunk in DNA terms, but I wonder if it is enough to prevent cross-breeding. When I referred to Genetic African purity I meant a population without input from Neanderthal genes. Only two scenarios could explain this for me 1 That the diffferent types of humans were too diverse to procreate 2 The most total global disaster ever, which would lea
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13 years ago
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My problem with out of africa is that it insists upon our gentic African purity, and also implies a lack of movement within global populations. For the other non-modern humans it implies an inferior animal-like status which runs counter to the little we know of them. Certainly if the two could interbreed they would have done. I agree that we are predominantly out of Africa, but not exclusively. H
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