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1 year ago
Duketown
ofc I ignore you Stower; you can't even read. We are talking assumptions about mapping glyphs with letters. The essence of all this and you are not close to grasping this. You're to busy thinking ad hominem and you don't even understand the problem. I even highlighted the important stuff for you and even now you continue to produce just noize. Sorry man, I put you on ignore modus. It sensele
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am still waiting for you to demonstrate how you > get from the original text via German and English > to that interpretation using your chosen context. > Let's not even focus on what you don't think the > Pyramid Texts are. HOw are they what you are > saying. This is what this is all about. My purpose
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1 year ago
Duketown
I guess ignoring my request to explain your own rationale means that you don't know much about Champillions choices on mapping sounds? You prefer discussing less-relevant stuff, this is only stuff Cladking dragged in to defend his case. It won't tell you much about the nature of horus in the pyramid texts. You even don't defend the main foundation of all of your interpretations about Egypt and
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1 year ago
Duketown
Martin Stower Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Duketown Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > No manu. You are wrong again. > > > > Why don't you start with explaining the sounds > and > > it's rationale to assign them to our letters? > You > > are no more special than Cladki
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1 year ago
Duketown
[*] What about the pyramid glyph mapped to T? How did this sound? Are you sure it isn't a D? How did you determine this? [*] And why again wouldn't Champillion make the same mistake with t and d as he made with q and k? Or with S and Z. [*] And what about Champillion's idea of fusing sounds? Is that even possible? [*] Don't you think this was a bit rudimentair? [*] And those 10 sounds fused i
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1 year ago
Duketown
No manu. You are wrong again. Why don't you start with explaining the sounds and it's rationale to assign them to our letters? You are no more special than Cladking so you also need to explain your rationale. Clearly, Cladking can't make his case concrete but you can't either. You are just repeating word lists, without expanding on the rationale. Your expanding a flawed theory and you claim t
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1 year ago
Duketown
No manu. You act like those text are 100% understood while clearly a lot of understanding is missing. Not a single text renders understandable so given interpretation is wrong due to wrong translation system. The only thing you explain is that Champillion didn't understood his own foundation of his translations. That is atop the obvious mistakes he made, including mixing sounds with words a
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1 year ago
Duketown
You clearly didn't read my posts. I leave out grammar and the context part and I just focus on the interpretation of sounds. You think this is a fixed point, but it isn't; it is a conscious decision of Champillion and it's drenched with interpretation since Champillion is only human, product of his time and surroundings. Since you use these decision as a single catch-all argument, I asked you
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1 year ago
Duketown
Better be not to cocky; Champillion wasn't perfect either. Your attitude only is derived from these debatable assumption Champillion made. I think we gonna have a laugh when you come back with your justification why Champillion fused all those sounds into those letters. I know, this is difficult topic but for those discussing meaning, it's essential. Most scholars even don't like this since th
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1 year ago
Duketown
Cladking, you are talking about fusing multiple sounds into 1 letter. This is exactly what Champillion did and there is where you can find prove for your interpretations.
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu, I already told you 3 times that you can't know why language is invented by just referring to it's oldest known application. It's merely an indication, which you are selling as truth. You are both wrong to draw conclusions based on assumptions. But that discussion is out of scope for this topic. We already established that the only way is to reconstruct original intention is from a tru
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1 year ago
Duketown
No Manu, Your are assuming you know the reason why language is invented but you don't know. Just like Cladking doesn't know. And I don't contradict myself. I'm copying Champillion's method to determine the meaning for glyphs. The aim is to deduct Abrahamic perspective and generate some more modern perspective. Meanwhile, I let you decide what is Corpus and then I'll make you that table. Cla
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1 year ago
Duketown
It seems I'm an ignorant user. I prefer readying all posts within one view, in pages and I usually I reply from the same view. Otherwize I have to scrolll down for 5 minutes because of a lot of noize. If you aply your desires for my posting, please set my default settings, I'll work with that. I can't figure it out.
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1 year ago
Duketown
oke manu, but we are discussing "The nature of Horus" and meanwhile we scientifically narrowed this down to re-interpret the intended meaning of glyphs. Pyramid Texts aren't unique since they use the same glyphs as other texts. That's why we need that Corpus. Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is available for example are the Pyramid >
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Duke, the Edfu texts were inscribed during the > third and second century B.C. As I said, while > some of the content may come from older sources, > we cannot easily trace that. I am not proposing to > use them for anything here. Why do you think I > posted a phrase from the Ebers Papyrus a few days
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1 year ago
Duketown
No, we need the original glyphs, preferably double columned with English interpretation. But the base to work from are those glyphs and not another men interpretation. That's only a tool to help forming words. ps. For your understanding: In a later phase, we will also filter out all Semitic influence. The Semitic Phoenicians created the alphabet and they made quite a lot of choices. Without
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1 year ago
Duketown
Not so fast Manu ;-) That famous Cladking-list needs to be cross-referenced against current meaning. What is academic view on standard Old Kingdom corpus? Which text are considered most important, besides Edfu Text and which of the Pyramid text are the oldest? Cladking is right to filter the newer stuff. Complete non-Old Kingdom corpus needs to be filtered out to leave Old Kingdom works as
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1 year ago
Duketown
was on my phone but I din't touch my settings anymore. What is needed is Cladking listing those scientific words which need to be cross-referenced with other important text, let's say the "Khemet Corpus beyond 3.000BC". Edfu text sure is part of that. Or maybe you can point me to a database with Hieroglyphic text? Something like ETCL is for Cuneiform. Didn't check that myself but
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1 year ago
Duketown
wrong: you don't know if it meant jaw or eating or if it was to represent consumption. like I said, without a solid framework to refer to, you can't build a case for meaning. too many assumptions. The only prove is cross-reference. There rest is, for now, interpretations. ofc, this already has been done so you can probably build upon others work. That's why I say science and religion make t
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1 year ago
Duketown
sure manu, but we can't decide if those jaws mean eating or much the wider meaning of consumption. Context before everything else but you need conformation to prove. without such list, you remain in your loop, discussing unprovable interpretations. you make the same mistake as cladking, that is starting with too much assumption. And remember, these worldviews of those early 20th century resea
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1 year ago
Duketown
right warwick. manu's method isn't the final approach; only usefull later in the translation process. yet, it's a nice to know, to confirm interpretations while finalizing the alphabetical transformation of glyphs. Reference lists are needed to start. You can't find meaning in isolated cases. cladking is eager to prove his gut feelings that's why I suggested: List the glyphs from pyramid
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1 year ago
Duketown
thnx manu. I need to study that some more but that is a solid base to work with. since we have to convert between symbols and alphabet, it's a mistake to aply alphabetical language rules above visual interpretations of glyphs and combined usage of them. it's nice to know, but ie worldview could give more context. So it makes more sense to compile a list with references where all symbols from
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1 year ago
Duketown
look, you dismiss the edfu text because of not being pyramid text and now you use other, non-disclosed sources to extract worldview. No more rambling, please. be more clear and make that list with glyphs from pyramid text, these affected with scientific interpretations. please refer to sources that confirm those interpretations. otherwize, success discussing interpretations and imaginary ev
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1 year ago
Duketown
thnx, i've switched mode. yet, you continue an esotoric discussion about truth while you only have to produce a list with glyphs and sources where these are used. without, anything you say is out of context. Without textual base, it is useless arguing ancient worldview but that's more something for the fan fiction department.
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1 year ago
Duketown
Can't you point to some of Manu's examples of affected glyphs? Maybe list some more ancient texts with scientific glyphs that are affected. Also, you should point to the source you dispute, preferable with some reasoning and visual prove. @manu: Is there a good lists with standard Egyptian worldview? A base to compare against? Clearly, the Edfu Temple text is often used.
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1 year ago
Duketown
Great starting point Manu. I still wonder how all translations compare to each other. I'm not even sure how to compare Faulkner and Mercer direct interpretations of these texts. I think I prefer Mercer since it's easily available online. Specifically, Kurt Heinrich Sethe since that is in German, which I speak. Then there are many famous commentary writing from all ages and in all languages, al
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am not trying to change him. I honor his right > to be creative and theorize. But this is a > lop-sided discussion regarding the Egyptian > language, which we should focus on. I tried to do > that. I posted text and analyzed it according to > the state-of-the-art method which took 180 years > to r
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1 year ago
Duketown
Manu, Clearly comparing ancient egyptians to praire dogs is ridiculous. Now this topic changed to "prooving cladking wrong" and discussion turned in a slugfest around knowing ancient Egyptian interpretations. @cladking: it would clearly help if you produce a lists with glyphs and new meanings. Then let's discuss that list to try to draw some insights about the nature of Horus. It
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1 year ago
Duketown
Again, off topic, @Hanslune. Clearly, your off topics rambling continue to drag this subject down the drain in your personal crusade. It started when you provoked Cladking to prove the impossible. Being provoked but with all good intention to explain his thesis, he made a lot of assumptions and Cladking drifted off topic himself. But is it so much to ask to stop those personal crusades and di
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1 year ago
Duketown
Barbelo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > QuoteThis is about The Nature of Horus in the > Pyramid Texts. No sane reader would engage in such > off topic discussion tactics so you are > devaluating this forum and rendered this topic > useless. > > > > As this topic has been ongoing for the better part > of six years with the
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