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1 year ago
Graham Chase
Quote from Hawass: The southern tomb of the Pyramid Complex of Djoser is a prototype of the Old Kingdom Satellite Pyramids. The reliefs on the panels in Djoser's southern tomb represent the king wearing the white Crown and running holding the flail. These scenes in the southern tomb can be interpreted as representations of the sed festival. 16 107 Therefore I propose a new theory on the func
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1 year ago
Graham Chase
The GP shafts are not really part of the OCT but related to it. The OCT is about the copy of the three Orion's Belt stars on the ground at Giza. The straight line angles of the 4 shafts seem to be 7/11, 11/11 and 9/11, 9/11 The QC pair are the average of the KC pair. These are more like a design pattern and dating by them is dubious. However I expect they are approximately correct alignmen
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1 year ago
Graham Chase
"Τhe alignment between Kochab and Mizar with the pole takes place during the V dynasty (at about 2467 BC) - not the IV dynasty. " As we are discussing the OCT then you need to follow RB's dates for it. So it is IV dynasty in that context. "A second drawback is the large angular distance between these stars. It is hard to visualize stars far away as being in a group especiall
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1 year ago
Graham Chase
The OCT had two problems with angles that Robert Bauval had to explain. First the angle of G1 to G3 apexes on the ground was 52.5 degrees to east-west. For this he claimed it referred to an earlier time of 11,500 BC. Second, the angle between the wings of the 3 points was 173 degrees on the ground and 169 degrees for the belt in the sky. Now, if the Giza pyramids simultaneously represen
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1 year ago
Graham Chase
"Now in regards to Djedefre. He did not "flee" from the greater plan. There is a perfectly logical explanation to why he went North-West to Abu Rowash to erect a pyramid. " As I don't have your book, can you explain briefly why Djedefre built at Abu Roash and not at Giza ?
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1 year ago
Graham Chase
The OCT is unbalanced in that it states the three pyramids represent only the Orion's Belt in the Southern sky. But the Pyramid Texts and other evidence tells us that the northern circumpolar stars were equally if not more important. The sky shafts in G1 included both halves of the sky, north and south. The theory in the above thread proposes that the three pyramids in a row at Giza simulta
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1 year ago
Graham Chase
To answer the question as the whether the OCT is valid, it is not a mathematical question but a cultural one. The starting point is to propose a theory for the purpose of the three-in-a-row. Khufu did not plan the three-in-a-row because his son Djedefre built the next pyramid at Abu Roash. So we must assume that Khufu was a stand alone complex. To understand the purpose of the component
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
Very interesting paper, thanks very much. If the chambers were not affected by subsidence, why do you think they were filled almost to the ceiling with small limestone bricks ?
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
Regarding the so-called Barracks, Area C of the Giza mapping Project, I proposed in a previous post of yours the purpose of the structure. Here Another part of Area C is a little area behind Menkaure's Pyramid. It is has received no attention because the walls of it have been removed. It is regarded as the remains of a peribulous wall around the area. However it is not a peribulous wall as
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
It is a rare moment when I have to agree with most of what Cladking has written. Understanding ancient rituals and magic is very hard because of our 21st century ideas of how things work. Perhaps someone versed in shamanism could explain it. I can give you my very limited take on it. In order to achieve the transmogrification which Cladking mentions, the king will go through a number
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
From the PT we can be sure that some sort of 'ladder' ritual took place. The words "Hail to the Ladder . . ." implies that a symbolic ladder is being addressed in the pyramid. The question that is being discussed is where in the other pyramids was this ? For the Bent, Red and GP, it looks like there was an internal ladder or stairway. From Khafre's pyramid on a new model was adopt
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
The Grand Gallery in the Great Pyramid does have a stairway now up the middle. But we do not know how it was originally. People must have been able to move up and down. There are slots in the walls that could have been for wooden supports. About the 9 and 11, this is the number of gods in the Two Enneads who presided over the heavens.
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
Quote : "No more so than any other pyramid which has nothing to do with interior "ladders"." I would say your key word is INTERIOR. The Bent, Red and Great pyramid were designed to perform ladder ceremonies internally. It necessitated complex design features. By contrast, the internal structure of G2 and later pyramids was very simple. But at the same time, the mortua
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
quote : . . . none of the pyramids built after the Red Pyramid required such a "ladder" The Bent Pyramid and the Great Pyramid were built by the same family of architects, so you might expect some continuation of the ladder theme in the Great Pyramid. Instead of a ladder in the Bent Pyramid leading up to the chamber, we have in the GP an ascending passage. It was in two parts, th
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
Thanos5150 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Exactly, so given Unas was so well versed in the > whole "ladder" concept it makes no sense if > ladders were meant to be utilized as part of this > process inside the pyramid his pyramid would not. I think the answer is actually very simple. The 'ladder of gods in the sky' conce
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
"With all the other metaphors in those PT excerpts, why would anyone suddenly interpret "ladder" literally? I see your point. But in many rituals literal objects are used as symbols for all the associated meanings.
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
The Mysterious Feature in the Bent Pyramid It has been called 'The chimney' but the purpose of it was unknown. In the diagram below it is labelled 'shaft'. The descending passage of the Bent Pyramid entered the first corbelled chamber that was built well below the second chamber. It was narrow and would have housed a ladder to get up into the second chamber. The above drawing is from
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
"Not sure how that conveys they knew about stars circumscribing circles in the sky. What's the context of "great polar region" that construes it to mean a celestial axis or planetary pole? How does "zenith" necessarily mean north pole?" What meaning would you give to those words in the context ? The literal translation of the text for zenith of the sky is '
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And they also said the sun rises in the south; > > 1497a. "O Re," say men, when they stand by the > side of N. on the earth, > 1497b. while thou dawnest on the southern side of > the sky, "give thy hand to N.; > 1497c. take him with thee to the southern side of > the sky.&quo
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
Certainly I agree with you that the Heb Sed was not funerary in the great pyramid building age. It was a festival that was sometimes ended badly but always on an upbeat note since if the old king failed the new king passed. It is worth pointing out that nearly all our evidence of the Heb Sed comes from funerary buildings ! Can you give an example of an old king who failed and was replaced b
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
"Do you know of any ancient document or graphic from that time which specifically shows they actually did know that, or is that an inference made by modern investigators?" There are some reference to the zenith of the sky in the Pyramid tests. Utterance 513 mentions the 'great polar region' and 'the zenith of the sky'.
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
"It was a Festival, a Celebration, to mark the rejuvenation of the sitting King, it was a time of whooping it up" Yes, all true, but not just the sitting king. The king wanted to be rejuvenated through eternity too. The rituals of the Sed were regarded as the way to do this. So most kings strived to include the Sed in their funeral complexes so they could continue them in the aft
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
DUNE Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Graham Chase Wrote: > The four directions have symbolic meaning > but there was no requirement for precise cardinal > > directions. > > > Somehow i think the Architect of G1 and the Giza > Plan would disagree with that sweeping statement > Not really, the alignments were not actuall
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
cladking Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Heb Sed festival was not "funerary" in nature. > They appear to have been to test the fitness of > the king to determine whether he was fit to live > and rule. These festivals appear to have occurred > well in advance of pyramid building season. I am not sure whether this idea of fi
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
So many questions - but I can offer an idea for the last one : "but where is the evidence of what the builders actually intended it all to be?" We need to go back to before the first pyramid - the Step pyramid of Djoser. Khasekemwy (and the earlier kings) constructed a moderately sized tomb for his burial in the cemetery at Abydos. Not far away was his huge enclosure. This was use
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
"If, like me, you believe the Great Pyramid is an AE tomb, then it's worth noting that the entrance to the King's Chamber is at the east end of the Chamber and its sarcophagus is at the western end." Yes, the western horizon is the direction for the dead, the east horizon is for sunrise and rebirth. In this way the KC is a miniature representation of the complete (circular) horizo
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
This method of finding true north, and some other methods, make the unsupported assumption that the objective of the AE builders was in fact to find true north to align their buildings. But there is lots of evidence to suggest that the objective was to align to stars that rotated around the celestial pole. Even your linked article mentions that The Stretching of the Cord Ceremony, used over
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
What size have you used for the enclosure ? It looks to be about 440 cubits ?
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
I agree that Google Earth is not very accurate for making measurements or judgments about squareness. A survey was conducted and this is a report on the inner enclosure wall posted by J D Degreef in 2002 : "It is 10 cubits thick, and composed first of two dry stone retaining walls with a loose filling in between, later covered on both sides by new walls, then with a clay coating. A gap i
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2 years ago
Graham Chase
A similar idea appears to have been copied by Djedefre at AbuRoash, 8km north-west of Giza. In fact his pyramid was exactly north-west, ie at an angle of exactly 45 degrees to north from the Great Pyramid. G1 had a side length of 440 cubits. Djedefre's pyramid had a base of 203 cubits and a perimeter wall of 237 cubits. These seem odd lengths, but 203 and 237 add up to 440. And the ratio o
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