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TStreicher wrote:

> Carlos Castaneda had discovered in the latter portion of his
> life that: "The extraordinary effect that psychotropic plants
> had had on me was what gave me the bias that their use was the
> key feature of the teachings. I held on to that conviction and
> it was only in the later years of my apprenticeship that I
> realized that the meaningful transformations and findings of
> sorcerers were always done in states of sober consciousness."

Sure, but those "meaningful transformations and findings" found in sobriety might have never occurred to them if they had never had their psychotropic plant experiences. It's sort of like the creativity of the Beatles. They normally worked in the studio sober, but with songs written under the influence. BOTH sobriety and the other-than-ordinary-experiences contributed to the final product.


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Further Castaneda Controversies 189 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 03:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 106 Sherman Peabody 25-Jul-12 09:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 119 Brooks Johnson 25-Jul-12 21:51
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 125 Misterx 26-Jul-12 12:32
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 117 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 22:08
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 113 Sherman Peabody 26-Jul-12 11:20
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 124 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 06:40
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 119 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 13:43
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 124 Poster Boy 26-Jul-12 03:24
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 112 Sherman Peabody 26-Jul-12 11:25
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 134 Poster Boy 27-Jul-12 01:54
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 197 Hoppy 27-Jul-12 20:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 76 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 00:52
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 121 David L 28-Jul-12 00:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 200 Hoppy 28-Jul-12 01:30
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 121 TStreicher 28-Jul-12 04:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 121 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 06:19
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 96 Glorious 28-Jul-12 08:20
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 110 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 19:32
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 112 TStreicher 28-Jul-12 19:50
Tricky business 113 Poster Boy 28-Jul-12 20:25
Re: Tricky business 110 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 01:52
Then again... 108 Poster Boy 29-Jul-12 06:59
success and it's effect on others 122 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 23:17
nah 108 Poster Boy 30-Jul-12 04:17
sorry 116 brucenyc1 30-Jul-12 05:21
Re: sorry 101 Poster Boy 30-Jul-12 05:48
Re: success and it's effect on others 225 Hoppy 31-Jul-12 01:46
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 129 Lorelei 29-Jul-12 06:31
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 131 Glorious 29-Jul-12 07:16
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 126 Poster Boy 29-Jul-12 07:37
Mod Note > Language Edit 121 Dr. Troglodyte 29-Jul-12 17:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 115 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 23:21


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