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TStreicher wrote:

> Carlos Castaneda had discovered in the latter portion of his
> life that: "The extraordinary effect that psychotropic plants
> had had on me was what gave me the bias that their use was the
> key feature of the teachings. I held on to that conviction and
> it was only in the later years of my apprenticeship that I
> realized that the meaningful transformations and findings of
> sorcerers were always done in states of sober consciousness."

Sure, but those "meaningful transformations and findings" found in sobriety might have never occurred to them if they had never had their psychotropic plant experiences. It's sort of like the creativity of the Beatles. They normally worked in the studio sober, but with songs written under the influence. BOTH sobriety and the other-than-ordinary-experiences contributed to the final product.


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Further Castaneda Controversies 215 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 03:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 116 Sherman Peabody 25-Jul-12 09:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 140 Brooks Johnson 25-Jul-12 21:51
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 142 Misterx 26-Jul-12 12:32
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 138 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 22:08
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 125 Sherman Peabody 26-Jul-12 11:20
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 139 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 06:40
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 138 TStreicher 25-Jul-12 13:43
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 139 PB Bytes 26-Jul-12 03:24
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 123 Sherman Peabody 26-Jul-12 11:25
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 151 PB Bytes 27-Jul-12 01:54
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 214 Hoppy 27-Jul-12 20:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 93 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 00:52
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 134 David L 28-Jul-12 00:57
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 213 Hoppy 28-Jul-12 01:30
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 137 TStreicher 28-Jul-12 04:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 136 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 06:19
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 113 Glorious 28-Jul-12 08:20
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 128 brucenyc1 28-Jul-12 19:32
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 130 TStreicher 28-Jul-12 19:50
Tricky business 134 PB Bytes 28-Jul-12 20:25
Re: Tricky business 132 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 01:52
Then again... 126 PB Bytes 29-Jul-12 06:59
success and it's effect on others 134 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 23:17
nah 129 PB Bytes 30-Jul-12 04:17
sorry 134 brucenyc1 30-Jul-12 05:21
Re: sorry 116 PB Bytes 30-Jul-12 05:48
Re: success and it's effect on others 240 Hoppy 31-Jul-12 01:46
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 141 Lorelei 29-Jul-12 06:31
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 147 Glorious 29-Jul-12 07:16
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 144 PB Bytes 29-Jul-12 07:37
Mod Note > Language Edit 135 Dr. Troglodyte 29-Jul-12 17:21
Re: Further Castaneda Controversies 132 brucenyc1 29-Jul-12 23:21


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