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>>It may be somewhat radical, but its logical as a viable explanation and one that I find more acceptable than the tomb theory.
It would mean that Egypt was able to reconstitute itself like the Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former self, after a calamitous phase in which other civilizations in the Near East and beyond, such as the Akkadian Empire, had collapsed and vanished.
What essentially Scott and I are saying, is that rather than the largest pyramids at Giza being built to preserve the king, that instead they were built to preserve the kingdom; in other words, they acted as a kind of "womb" for the rebirth of the kingdom, and this means that not only was all kinds of knowledge encoded in these pyramids - along with the astronomical and geophysical knowledge we find encoded at Giza associated with whatever natural catastrophe threatened the kingdom - but they were also recovery vaults to preserve everything about their culture - ensuring its rebirth or resurrection. They are not just 'seed vaults' as Don refers to them, although seeds of wheat and barley would have been stored as well. This really stems from the analogy we made with the Svalbard Global Seed Vault built only recently.

Gary....

What if the builders were not*.....Egyptians?

The Osirion,.....the Great Pyramid,.....Valley Temples.....and Sphinx

all of a huge block building ....which is devoid of the usual Pharaonic/Priest Cast boasting of achievement or intention

Its quite possible from Egypts 1st Dynasty onward,
its Adoption theory....restoration with additional building of a ground map/celestial mirror as Wayne Herschel has discovered.

Your Egyptian stylized religion might be a bunch of mumbo jumbo contrived by the Oligarchy to role play and keep the sheeple hypnotized by public spectacle.

Pharaoh's not going anywhere.......except into the dirt.

maybe in some distant age when the Gods** existed.....a King might go to the stars,
from 1st Dynasty onward.....I don't think so.

As Alan Alford points out:

Moreover, 4th dynasty inscriptions found at Giza confirm that Khufu was building the mastaba fields for his high officials to the west of the Great Pyramid in ‘year 5’ of his reign. Is it really likely that Khufu, having initiated the largest, most complex and innovative pyramid-building project in Egyptian history, would have allowed any work to be carried out in building mastabas? Can we seriously believe that Khufu would have put his great venture at risk by diverting resources to the building of such mastabas in the fifth year of his reign, bearing in mind that he did not know whether he would live long enough to see the completion of his pyramid? The idea is ludicrous. The inscriptions only make sense if the Great Pyramid was already built before the time of Khufu.[end]

This tells me its a Socio Religious con....
Khufu's placating the Elites...who want to share in the Glory...ie...the Mastaba fields
Its an Elite vs the little guy game....which is hallmark of most nations History,
where the Elite/Oligarchy and Priest caste contrive the drama and the rules

In time....Pharaohs and Priest caste scribble over everything and even defame former rulers in competition.

For me....the Synergy which brought together Egypt s 1st Dynasty under socio adoption/restoration and rediscovery of the extant ruins from a far distant age makes sense,
they then cobbled together the Religion doctrines in order to secure rule.

We find record of these earlier Kings raiding into neighboring lands,mines,...
slavery....control of livestock...trade,
its a form of regional globalism.

The Greeks and the Romans with their multi god pantheons....warlike socio character,
sure...great thinkers,..engineers,...artists etc,
yet still...a control architecture which includes a personal salvation/worship system for the people ...with a Oligarchy sitting on top.

regards

T Bird


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 598 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 225 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 220 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 230 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 230 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 241 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 228 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 237 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 245 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 220 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 235 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 220 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 224 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 199 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 207 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 309 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 188 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 225 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 219 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 221 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 205 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 228 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 250 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 216 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 209 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 230 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 230 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 209 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 208 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 236 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 200 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 221 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 216 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 235 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 213 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 215 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 219 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 246 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 237 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 231 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 250 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 217 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 234 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 227 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 238 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 246 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 229 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 194 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 249 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 216 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 208 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 339 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 223 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 350 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 251 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 217 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 245 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 254 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 215 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 235 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 217 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 274 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 249 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 253 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 248 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 257 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 227 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 227 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 282 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 230 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 242 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 215 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 215 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 238 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 242 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 207 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 245 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 255 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 228 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 235 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 243 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 223 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 328 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 183 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 265 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 220 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 441 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 265 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 214 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 217 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 235 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 276 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 237 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 239 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 216 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 172 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 234 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 226 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 224 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 232 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 250 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 221 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 230 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 221 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 199 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 204 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 231 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 190 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 246 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 247 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 198 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 192 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 250 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 217 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 242 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 245 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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