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>>It may be somewhat radical, but its logical as a viable explanation and one that I find more acceptable than the tomb theory.
It would mean that Egypt was able to reconstitute itself like the Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former self, after a calamitous phase in which other civilizations in the Near East and beyond, such as the Akkadian Empire, had collapsed and vanished.
What essentially Scott and I are saying, is that rather than the largest pyramids at Giza being built to preserve the king, that instead they were built to preserve the kingdom; in other words, they acted as a kind of "womb" for the rebirth of the kingdom, and this means that not only was all kinds of knowledge encoded in these pyramids - along with the astronomical and geophysical knowledge we find encoded at Giza associated with whatever natural catastrophe threatened the kingdom - but they were also recovery vaults to preserve everything about their culture - ensuring its rebirth or resurrection. They are not just 'seed vaults' as Don refers to them, although seeds of wheat and barley would have been stored as well. This really stems from the analogy we made with the Svalbard Global Seed Vault built only recently.

Gary....

What if the builders were not*.....Egyptians?

The Osirion,.....the Great Pyramid,.....Valley Temples.....and Sphinx

all of a huge block building ....which is devoid of the usual Pharaonic/Priest Cast boasting of achievement or intention

Its quite possible from Egypts 1st Dynasty onward,
its Adoption theory....restoration with additional building of a ground map/celestial mirror as Wayne Herschel has discovered.

Your Egyptian stylized religion might be a bunch of mumbo jumbo contrived by the Oligarchy to role play and keep the sheeple hypnotized by public spectacle.

Pharaoh's not going anywhere.......except into the dirt.

maybe in some distant age when the Gods** existed.....a King might go to the stars,
from 1st Dynasty onward.....I don't think so.

As Alan Alford points out:

Moreover, 4th dynasty inscriptions found at Giza confirm that Khufu was building the mastaba fields for his high officials to the west of the Great Pyramid in ‘year 5’ of his reign. Is it really likely that Khufu, having initiated the largest, most complex and innovative pyramid-building project in Egyptian history, would have allowed any work to be carried out in building mastabas? Can we seriously believe that Khufu would have put his great venture at risk by diverting resources to the building of such mastabas in the fifth year of his reign, bearing in mind that he did not know whether he would live long enough to see the completion of his pyramid? The idea is ludicrous. The inscriptions only make sense if the Great Pyramid was already built before the time of Khufu.[end]

This tells me its a Socio Religious con....
Khufu's placating the Elites...who want to share in the Glory...ie...the Mastaba fields
Its an Elite vs the little guy game....which is hallmark of most nations History,
where the Elite/Oligarchy and Priest caste contrive the drama and the rules

In time....Pharaohs and Priest caste scribble over everything and even defame former rulers in competition.

For me....the Synergy which brought together Egypt s 1st Dynasty under socio adoption/restoration and rediscovery of the extant ruins from a far distant age makes sense,
they then cobbled together the Religion doctrines in order to secure rule.

We find record of these earlier Kings raiding into neighboring lands,mines,...
slavery....control of livestock...trade,
its a form of regional globalism.

The Greeks and the Romans with their multi god pantheons....warlike socio character,
sure...great thinkers,..engineers,...artists etc,
yet still...a control architecture which includes a personal salvation/worship system for the people ...with a Oligarchy sitting on top.

regards

T Bird


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 485 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 173 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 193 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 181 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 184 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 184 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 185 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 164 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 173 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 150 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 151 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 248 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 136 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 178 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 172 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 152 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 196 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 181 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 155 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 109 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 110 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 151 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 167 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 164 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 165 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 162 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 194 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 182 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 181 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 195 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 164 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 182 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 240 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 178 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 145 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 197 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 168 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 159 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 287 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 302 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 193 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 164 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 190 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 204 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 162 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 182 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 159 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 207 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 194 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 193 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 188 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 196 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 176 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 170 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 220 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 175 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 156 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 162 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 193 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 191 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 159 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 187 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 197 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 175 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 175 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 184 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 174 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 271 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 124 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 212 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 166 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 386 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 207 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 164 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 165 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 181 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 218 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 188 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 188 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 169 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 120 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 183 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 180 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 162 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 200 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 167 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 152 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 152 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 185 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 133 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 191 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 192 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 141 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 189 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 167 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 180 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 192 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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