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>>It may be somewhat radical, but its logical as a viable explanation and one that I find more acceptable than the tomb theory.
It would mean that Egypt was able to reconstitute itself like the Phoenix rising from the ashes of its former self, after a calamitous phase in which other civilizations in the Near East and beyond, such as the Akkadian Empire, had collapsed and vanished.
What essentially Scott and I are saying, is that rather than the largest pyramids at Giza being built to preserve the king, that instead they were built to preserve the kingdom; in other words, they acted as a kind of "womb" for the rebirth of the kingdom, and this means that not only was all kinds of knowledge encoded in these pyramids - along with the astronomical and geophysical knowledge we find encoded at Giza associated with whatever natural catastrophe threatened the kingdom - but they were also recovery vaults to preserve everything about their culture - ensuring its rebirth or resurrection. They are not just 'seed vaults' as Don refers to them, although seeds of wheat and barley would have been stored as well. This really stems from the analogy we made with the Svalbard Global Seed Vault built only recently.

Gary....

What if the builders were not*.....Egyptians?

The Osirion,.....the Great Pyramid,.....Valley Temples.....and Sphinx

all of a huge block building ....which is devoid of the usual Pharaonic/Priest Cast boasting of achievement or intention

Its quite possible from Egypts 1st Dynasty onward,
its Adoption theory....restoration with additional building of a ground map/celestial mirror as Wayne Herschel has discovered.

Your Egyptian stylized religion might be a bunch of mumbo jumbo contrived by the Oligarchy to role play and keep the sheeple hypnotized by public spectacle.

Pharaoh's not going anywhere.......except into the dirt.

maybe in some distant age when the Gods** existed.....a King might go to the stars,
from 1st Dynasty onward.....I don't think so.

As Alan Alford points out:

Moreover, 4th dynasty inscriptions found at Giza confirm that Khufu was building the mastaba fields for his high officials to the west of the Great Pyramid in ‘year 5’ of his reign. Is it really likely that Khufu, having initiated the largest, most complex and innovative pyramid-building project in Egyptian history, would have allowed any work to be carried out in building mastabas? Can we seriously believe that Khufu would have put his great venture at risk by diverting resources to the building of such mastabas in the fifth year of his reign, bearing in mind that he did not know whether he would live long enough to see the completion of his pyramid? The idea is ludicrous. The inscriptions only make sense if the Great Pyramid was already built before the time of Khufu.[end]

This tells me its a Socio Religious con....
Khufu's placating the Elites...who want to share in the Glory...ie...the Mastaba fields
Its an Elite vs the little guy game....which is hallmark of most nations History,
where the Elite/Oligarchy and Priest caste contrive the drama and the rules

In time....Pharaohs and Priest caste scribble over everything and even defame former rulers in competition.

For me....the Synergy which brought together Egypt s 1st Dynasty under socio adoption/restoration and rediscovery of the extant ruins from a far distant age makes sense,
they then cobbled together the Religion doctrines in order to secure rule.

We find record of these earlier Kings raiding into neighboring lands,mines,...
slavery....control of livestock...trade,
its a form of regional globalism.

The Greeks and the Romans with their multi god pantheons....warlike socio character,
sure...great thinkers,..engineers,...artists etc,
yet still...a control architecture which includes a personal salvation/worship system for the people ...with a Oligarchy sitting on top.

regards

T Bird


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 428 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 152 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 157 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 161 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 164 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 150 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 145 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 148 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 133 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 222 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 112 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 152 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 127 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 158 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 147 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 137 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 154 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 136 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 91 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 139 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 106 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 92 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 132 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 155 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 145 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 143 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 143 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 173 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 164 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 159 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 173 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 144 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 157 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 219 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 124 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 137 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 268 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 151 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 269 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 146 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 168 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 184 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 145 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 161 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 137 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 188 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 174 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 171 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 161 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 179 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 151 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 152 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 192 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 138 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 142 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 173 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 173 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 141 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 159 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 178 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 146 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 157 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 163 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 154 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 248 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 107 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 189 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 144 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 365 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 184 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 144 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 143 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 157 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 194 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 161 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 168 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 149 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 103 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 166 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 161 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 143 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 141 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 181 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 147 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 135 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 115 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 173 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 128 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 118 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 169 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 175 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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