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Scott Creighton wrote:

> SC: That the AEs managed to get in and remove whatever the
> pyramids concealed is really beyond dispute - they did. And
> they even tell us they did (Papyrus Ipuwer).

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The sole surviving manuscript dates to the later 13th century BCE (no earlier than the 19th dynasty in the New Kingdom).

The date for the composition of this document is unknown. The papyrus itself (Papyrus Leiden I 344) is a copy made during the New Kingdom of Egypt.[1] The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.[5] [6] The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt.

Why should we consider this, supposedly later, document as a credible source for "pre-fifth" Egypt?

Morten


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 484 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 178 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 174 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 191 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 182 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 168 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 183 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 162 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 150 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 150 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 247 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 135 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 164 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 151 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 178 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 194 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 164 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 179 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 108 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 109 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 148 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 175 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 162 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 163 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 160 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 191 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 181 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 178 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 194 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 163 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 181 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 174 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 237 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 174 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 143 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 194 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 167 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 156 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 286 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 169 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 300 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 192 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 162 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 189 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 201 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 161 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 181 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 157 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 206 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 191 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 191 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 185 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 195 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 174 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 168 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 218 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 173 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 182 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 155 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 161 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 191 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 189 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 156 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 185 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 196 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 173 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 174 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 182 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 172 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 270 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 124 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 211 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 165 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 385 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 205 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 163 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 163 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 179 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 217 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 186 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 186 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 167 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 119 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 181 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 179 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 162 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 198 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 182 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 169 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 151 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 150 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 184 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 132 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 189 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 191 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 145 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 139 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 187 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 162 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 190 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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