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Scott Creighton wrote:

> SC: That the AEs managed to get in and remove whatever the
> pyramids concealed is really beyond dispute - they did. And
> they even tell us they did (Papyrus Ipuwer).

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The sole surviving manuscript dates to the later 13th century BCE (no earlier than the 19th dynasty in the New Kingdom).

The date for the composition of this document is unknown. The papyrus itself (Papyrus Leiden I 344) is a copy made during the New Kingdom of Egypt.[1] The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE),[4] and appears to describe how the Hyksos took over Egypt.[5] [6] The theme of this work had previously been taken either as a lament inspired by the supposed chaos of the First Intermediate Period,[5] or as a plea to Pepi II Neferkare depicting the fall of the Old Kingdom.[7][8] The admonitions may not be a discussion with a king at all however. Otto was the first to suggest that the discussion was not between Ipuwer and his king, but that this was a discussion between Ipuwer and a deity. Fecht showed through philological interpretation and revision of the relevant passages that this is indeed a discussion with a deity.[9] Modern research suggests that the papyrus dates to the much later 13th dynasty, with part of the papyrus now thought to date to the time of Pharaoh Khety, and the admonitions of Ipuwer actually being addressed to the god Atum, not a mortal king.[10] The admonitions are thought to harken back to the First Intermediate Period and record a decline in international relations and a general impoverishment in Egypt.

Why should we consider this, supposedly later, document as a credible source for "pre-fifth" Egypt?

Morten


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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 427 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 158 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 151 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 161 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 163 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 145 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 148 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 132 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 221 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 111 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 151 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 127 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 158 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 136 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 154 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 136 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 90 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 137 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 106 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 91 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 131 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 148 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 145 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 142 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 142 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 173 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 164 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 159 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 173 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 144 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 155 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 216 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 123 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 148 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 136 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 268 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 151 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 268 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 146 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 167 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 184 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 145 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 161 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 137 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 187 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 174 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 171 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 160 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 179 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 150 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 152 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 192 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 155 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 164 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 138 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 142 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 173 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 172 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 140 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 159 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 178 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 146 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 157 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 163 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 154 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 248 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 107 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 189 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 144 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 365 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 182 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 144 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 142 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 156 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 194 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 160 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 167 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 148 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 103 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 164 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 161 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 142 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 141 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 180 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 135 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 115 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 173 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 128 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 117 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 169 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 145 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 158 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 175 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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