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Hi Chris,

Good to see you here.

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CJ: Welcome and well done with the book. It seems to have got rather heated immediately in here.

SC: Thanks for the good wishes, Chris. “Heated”? Must be those solar concentrators! :)

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CJ: I find the evidence you have identified for seed storage quite compelling. It brings these structures into line with other ancient stepped structures such as the Ziggurats of the Middle East.

SC: That’s a great observation, Chris. Thanks.

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CJ: However, I think the idea of a SV type recovery vault may be stretching the idea a little far.

SC: We are discussing Recovery Vaults which typically would be quite different from a normal granary in that many other useful items would be stored e.g. vases, pots, plates, tools, weapons, important texts etc, etc. And seeds, of course.

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CJ: The other step structures are considered seed/grain storage centers for the living. They collect in the good times and re-distributed to the hungry during the droughts. As such how do you distinguish between day to day storage and the RVT proposal.

SC: A typical ancient granary would not match the colossal size of the Pyramid Recovery Vaults. The Recovery Vaults had to be made highly visible in a barren landscape so that they could be easily found. Their internal storage chambers would require to be sealed with considerable security/blocking measures to deter/prevent casual looting. You would not find such heavy security measures in a typical granary.

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CJ: There would surely be a need for many many storage centers in the ancient world. There should be many times the number of standard storage vats to RVs. Have you identified lots of the former and shown a reasonable way to distinguish between them from the latter?

SC: There are numerous silos around Djoser’s pyramid complex. Also, there are vast storage galleries a short distance to the west of G2.

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CJ: I would also like to know what precautions the storage vaults made to protect against the water that was found beneath the Giza plateau and at Saqqara? The flooding was a biannual event so it was probably a catastrophe of the ilk you are describing, one that would presume the need for good storage facilities.

SC: The large cache of wheat and barley seed found under the Step Pyramid (Saqqara) seem to have been perfectly preserved i.e. there does not seem to have been any damage by water ingress. Perhaps this is why all the Recovery Vaults were placed on high plateaus to guard against the rising Nile. The tightly fitted casing stones would also have been protection against rising waters. There is also good evidence to suggest that the items stored in the GP were placed there from the top of the pyramid (i.e. before the KC ceiling was set in place.). The three granite blocking slabs in the Ante Chamber would essentially hermetically seal the Grand Gallery.

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CJ: What makes you think they could really predict global catastrophes and thru what mechanic?

SC: It’s actually what the AEs believed. Their god Thoth promised he would send a flood that would drown all of Egypt. Solon tells us that this flood (great deluge) came “…after the usual interval…like a pestilence”. Two of the three dates we have found on the Precession Timeline correspond to periods of upheaval on the Earth. Whether the third future date does likewise remains to be seen.

Regards,

Scott

EDIT: Fix typo.
EDIT: Clarification.



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Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 428 Scott Creighton 01-Feb-12 18:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 05:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 13:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:11
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 14:29
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 157 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 14:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 172 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 15:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 162 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 165 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:27
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 152 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 16:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 16:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 145 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:19
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 148 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:35
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 133 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 17:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 131 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:07
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 223 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 18:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 112 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 155 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 19:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:31
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 21:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 128 Scott Creighton 02-Feb-12 19:56
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:08
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 176 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:04
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 147 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:14
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 137 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 00:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 00:36
Re: Finding a starting point 154 Thunderbird 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 136 Audrey 03-Feb-12 02:41
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 91 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:47
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 139 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 02:54
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 107 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 10:02
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 157 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:57
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 92 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 17:43
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 134 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 18:20
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 18:28
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 19:11
BREAKING NEWS 145 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:35
Re: BREAKING NEWS 144 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:12
Re: BREAKING NEWS 144 Spiros 02-Feb-12 22:40
Re: BREAKING NEWS 174 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 22:45
Re: BREAKING NEWS 165 Spiros 03-Feb-12 13:06
Re: BREAKING NEWS 160 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 20:26
addendum 173 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 21:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 cladking 03-Feb-12 00:52
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Audrey 03-Feb-12 03:23
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 157 Ahatmose 03-Feb-12 03:37
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 161 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:36
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 219 Spiros 02-Feb-12 15:13
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:55
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 125 Ahatmose 02-Feb-12 15:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 177 Gary Osborn 02-Feb-12 16:01
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 149 Spiros 02-Feb-12 19:58
the 727 AD alignment 137 Spiros 02-Feb-12 20:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 269 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 04:49
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 153 Audrey 03-Feb-12 05:44
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 269 NetWorkAngel 03-Feb-12 05:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 171 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 12:35
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 147 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 13:13
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 169 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 14:43
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 184 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 18:12
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 146 Scott Creighton 03-Feb-12 18:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 162 Chris Jordan 03-Feb-12 19:30
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 138 Chris Jordan 04-Feb-12 19:24
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 188 Lothur 03-Feb-12 19:50
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 175 PsycheDelia Smith 03-Feb-12 21:10
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 172 Lothur 04-Feb-12 01:22
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 161 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:14
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 179 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:28
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 152 Audrey 04-Feb-12 06:39
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 153 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 12:06
Re: RVT vs Standard seed/grain storage. 193 Lothur 04-Feb-12 16:25
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 156 Morten 04-Feb-12 03:59
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 14:47
The Dialogue of Ipuur 140 Morten 04-Feb-12 18:25
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 142 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 18:34
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 174 Morten 04-Feb-12 19:05
Exploratory or argumentative? 173 drrayeye 04-Feb-12 22:46
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 142 Morten 05-Feb-12 11:02
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 160 drrayeye 05-Feb-12 13:28
Re: Exploratory or argumentative? 179 Thunderbird 05-Feb-12 18:27
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 147 Gary Osborn 04-Feb-12 23:31
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 159 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 02:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 164 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 14:29
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 154 magisterchessmutt 05-Feb-12 17:46
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 248 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:52
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 109 Morten 05-Feb-12 10:39
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 191 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:48
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 145 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 16:07
Re: The Dialogue of Ipuur 365 cladking 05-Feb-12 16:59
Pocket Fisherman ... 184 jnisbet 04-Feb-12 08:38
Re: Pocket Fisherman ... 145 Scott Creighton 04-Feb-12 15:00
On second thought .... 143 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 02:05
Re: On second thought .... 157 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 13:27
Re: On second thought .... 194 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 13:34
Re: On second thought .... 162 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 13:45
Re: On second thought .... 168 jnisbet 05-Feb-12 14:33
Re: On second thought .... 149 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 14:47
Re: On second thought .... 103 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-12 14:53
Re: On second thought .... 166 Ahatmose 05-Feb-12 15:38
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 161 LonelyAngel 05-Feb-12 16:39
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 145 Gary Osborn 05-Feb-12 17:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 142 Glanymor1948 05-Feb-12 20:30
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 182 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-12 11:17
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 148 Audrey 11-Feb-12 19:53
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 160 Gary Osborn 11-Feb-12 22:05
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 154 Ahatmose 11-Feb-12 23:48
Re: What if they were not Egyptians? 136 Thunderbird 12-Feb-12 02:46
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Scott Creighton 13-Feb-12 00:02
Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 166 cladking 22-Feb-12 22:45
Re: Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 116 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 11:12
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 172 Drewski 23-Feb-12 10:48
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 174 Scott Creighton 23-Feb-12 23:58
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 129 Drewski 24-Feb-12 01:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 118 Scott Creighton 24-Feb-12 10:50
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 170 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 11:16
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 146 Gary Osborn 24-Feb-12 12:15
Re: Introducing the Pyramid 'Recovery Vault Theory' (RVT) 159 BethSwiss 24-Feb-12 17:48
Form follows function, etc. ... 175 jnisbet 26-Feb-12 05:08


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