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Graham Hancock wrote:

> After this manner, the Lament continues, "will old age come
> upon the world. Religion will be no more; all things will be
> disordered and awry; all good will disappear.”
>
> The blind faith in materialism, and the characterisation of
> spirituality as “not simply laughable but even illusory” that
> dominates contemporary society is, historically, a relatively
> new development; but who can doubt that it is taking humanity
> far away from the ideal of mind before matter that you argue
> has always been championed by the secret societies? The Lament
> suggests that there were those amongst the ancients, connected
> to the secret tradition, who foresaw such a turn of events. My
> question: what measures have the secret societies taken – if
> any – and what measures could they take, to countermand this
> disastrous trend?
>
> Or is that left to Cosmic Mind to sort out?
>
> Best wishes
> Graham

Hi Graham,

with all due respect, if one looks objectively at what effect blind observation of religious thought has had on a host of societies over the long ages, do you not find that the "ideal of mind over matter" at least in the form of religious dogma has been a disasterous curse that has served only to divide people into warring camps and pollute the minds of humans from the very beginning into the illusion of rightousness of cause and action? Often it is not the religion being mocked it is the sheer hypocracy of action that ones sees in religious people that leads to mockery as the only real response to such entrenched opinions such as, "God gave us this land" or "kill the blasphemers in the name of God" for example.

This is still so evident in the struggle for humanity we see all over the world today.

I do not speak of individual quests for spirituality as such but of organized religious beliefs that become enshrined into cultural and tribal instincts that corrode the collective responitivity to moral and ethical action and divide people into we who are God's people and the enemy who is everyone else which seems to have been a predominant thought pattern since the very beginning of human endevour.

May I ask why you think the loss is a "disasterous trend"? I am not trying to attack your spiritual beliefs not am I a particular fan of materialism or consumerism. I am just curious as to why you used this phrase to discribe a movement towards secular thought.

Sincerely,
Brian



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