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Dear Jonathan

I note and agree with your comment on page 229 of your book that "in the secret history the hermetic... writings... are understood as the first written down, systematised expressions of ancient and largely oral traditions."

Amongst the Hermetic texts one of my favourites is the Asclepius, and within the Asclepius, the famous passage known as the Lament, where it is prophesied:

"O Egypt, Egypt, of thy religion nothing will remain but an empty tale, which thine own children in time to come will not believe; nothing will be left but graven words, and only the stones will tell of thy piety...

"And in that day men will be weary of life, and they will cease to think the universe worthy of reverent wonder and worship. And so religion, the greatest of all blessings… will be threatened with destruction; men will think it a burden and will come to scorn it...

"Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life; no one will raise his eyes to heaven; the pious will be deemed insane, the impious wise; the madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good."

In this remarkable document it seems to me that "Egypt" stands for much more than the land of the Nile, and that the prophecy is not simply a forewarning of the demise of ancient Egypt four or five centuries after Christ but rather of developments that have only reached fruition in our own time -- here, now and today in the West in the 21st century after Christ.

In particular I note this passage (Walter Scott translation): "As to the soul, and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality, as I have taught you, - all this they will mock, and even persuade themselves that it is false.

"No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven, will be heard or believed.

"And so the gods will depart from mankind, - a grievous thing! - and only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches by main force into all manner of reckless crime, into wars, and robberies, and frauds, and all things hostile to the nature of the soul."

What you refer to as "the Dawkins tendency" in our society seems to be working incredibly hard, and I must say quite successfully (witness the popularity of Dawkins' recent book "The God Delusion", and of the Hitchens volume "God is not Great"), to persuade us that beliefs about the soul are indeed false and worthy only of mockery ("not simply laughable but even illusory" as the more recent Copenhaver translation of the Asclepius puts it).

Similarly the world fashioned by Western technology and materialist science does indeed seem to be one from which the gods have departed and in which "only evil angels remain", mingling with humankind and engineering the collective homicidal and kleptocratic madness that is so evident everywhere we look today.

After this manner, the Lament continues, "will old age come upon the world. Religion will be no more; all things will be disordered and awry; all good will disappear.”

The blind faith in materialism, and the characterisation of spirituality as “not simply laughable but even illusory” that dominates contemporary society is, historically, a relatively new development; but who can doubt that it is taking humanity far away from the ideal of mind before matter that you argue has always been championed by the secret societies? The Lament suggests that there were those amongst the ancients, connected to the secret tradition, who foresaw such a turn of events. My question: what measures have the secret societies taken – if any – and what measures could they take, to countermand this disastrous trend?

Or is that left to Cosmic Mind to sort out?

Best wishes
Graham

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Secret History: a Lament for our times? 195 Graham Hancock 17-Nov-07 11:42
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 118 Diomede 17-Nov-07 21:29
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 145 Deep1 17-Nov-07 22:14
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 123 Raja 18-Nov-07 08:32
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 115 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:07
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 146 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 09:57
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 131 Karsten 09-Dec-12 02:55
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 131 Apocalypto 17-Nov-07 23:15
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 111 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:10
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 152 Blythe 18-Nov-07 06:15
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 133 Apocalypto 18-Nov-07 09:56
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 124 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:28
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 135 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:18
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 126 jonathan black 18-Nov-07 10:22
Disembodied intelligences 128 lukehancock 18-Nov-07 12:18
Re: Disembodied intelligences 214 Sangreal Sea 21-Nov-07 03:21
Re: Disembodied intelligences 135 solitaire 21-Nov-07 04:42
Re: Disembodied intelligences 146 Sangreal Sea 21-Nov-07 06:52
Re: Disembodied intelligences 134 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:43
Re: Disembodied intelligences 232 Sangreal Sea 03-Dec-07 04:22
Re: Disembodied intelligences 171 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:35
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 126 lukehancock 18-Nov-07 12:19
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 138 jonathan black 25-Nov-07 18:59
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 129 richarddullum 19-Nov-07 02:20
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 132 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:53
The Begotten Son = The Hermetica 257 Jaimi2 20-Nov-07 03:05
Re: The Begotten Son = The Hermetica 182 wendyinthewind 20-Nov-07 20:31
Re: The Begotten Son = The Hermetica 148 jonathan black 01-Dec-07 10:59
No Subject 114 michael seabrook 12-Dec-12 21:02
Thanks to Jonathan...& Graham 84 KMRalls 01-Dec-07 11:14
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 136 cladking 09-Dec-12 03:47
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 120 Sirius7237 15-Dec-12 23:17
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 136 Karsten 16-Dec-12 03:55
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 132 Sirius7237 16-Dec-12 19:38
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 100 Karsten 16-Dec-12 20:23
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 237 Milo 09-Feb-13 17:48
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 96 endofworldbook 10-Feb-13 02:32
Re: Secret History: a Lament for our times? 110 Milo 10-Feb-13 20:41
I'm glad to see this post revived 89 David L 10-Feb-13 21:13


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