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Hi Ernest,

Your link did'nt work for me. Have the Kabalion in book form though..

The founding fathers mentioned what they were referring to by saying "We hold these truths to be self-evident".

Here's the whole line.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And here's the whole section (after which in the document is listed in depth what they saw as injustice)

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.


The truths to which they're referring as self-evident are the rights to live free from tyrannical oppression, it's the very purpose of the Declaration of Independance. How then can the philosophies of any philosophy be transferred onto this statement other than the philosophy and only the philosophy of what they are endorsing with the document?


Rich

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Christians & the "End of Days" 491 SunSword 04-Apr-05 20:28
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 240 Paoputzu 04-Apr-05 23:36
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 230 Kboldt 05-Apr-05 17:18
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 257 Paoputzu 07-Apr-05 12:14
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 174 Jaimi2 05-Apr-05 16:30
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 185 whytebyrd 05-Apr-05 17:41
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 246 Kboldt 05-Apr-05 18:12
I would like to add... 251 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 14:24
And I would like to add... 230 Lee McGiffen 06-Apr-05 16:00
Re: And I would like to add... 230 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:06
Re: And I would like to add... 199 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:18
Re: And I would like to add... 241 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:47
Re: And I would like to add... 165 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:54
Re: And I would like to add... 230 SunSword 06-Apr-05 19:46
Re: And I would like to add... 167 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 19:55
Re: And I would like to add... 206 Cesar 06-Apr-05 22:44
more of a deistic take on things 185 JimLewandowski 07-Apr-05 15:22
Re: And I would like to add... 278 Briffits 09-Apr-05 10:26
Re: And I would like to add... 206 Lee McGiffen 12-Apr-05 11:45
Re: And I would like to add... 203 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 13:10
you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 166 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 16:43
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 226 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 17:00
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 174 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 19:00
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 225 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 19:56
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 182 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 20:13
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 182 Cesar 12-Apr-05 20:40
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 227 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 20:44
I've always felt the phrase "all men are created equal" 177 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 23:07
Re: I've always felt the phrase "all men are created equal" 204 Cesar 13-Apr-05 09:45
Re: And I would like to add... 209 SunSword 12-Apr-05 14:06
Re: And I would like to add... 189 Lee McGiffen 13-Apr-05 10:55
then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 172 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 17:32
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 250 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:12
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 195 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:16
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 177 Joyeuse 09-Apr-05 02:21
forgot the link for information 160 Joyeuse 09-Apr-05 02:36
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 165 Farseeker 11-Apr-05 19:15
in the end, it's all geography 187 JimLewandowski 11-Apr-05 20:57
Re: in the end, it's all geography 167 Farseeker 11-Apr-05 21:28
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 174 Diomede 05-Apr-05 22:10
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 187 Gordon Strachan 07-Apr-05 16:13
No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 232 SunSword 07-Apr-05 17:24
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 182 Paoputzu 08-Apr-05 01:58
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 206 SunSword 08-Apr-05 15:09
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 161 Paoputzu 08-Apr-05 16:39
fundamentalism is on the rise around the globe 169 JimLewandowski 08-Apr-05 17:07
The End is coming... 199 Lee McGiffen 09-Apr-05 08:20
Re: The End is coming... 174 JamesH 09-Apr-05 14:37
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 179 Kattmanndoo 15-Apr-05 03:12
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 198 Cesar 15-Apr-05 07:36
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 160 Gordon Strachan 15-Apr-05 17:11
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 209 SunSword 15-Apr-05 17:20
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 233 Kboldt 15-Apr-05 18:05
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 173 Gordon Strachan 18-Apr-05 15:35
Neo-Cons & "Apocolyptic" Christians 203 SunSword 18-Apr-05 16:41
According to a Newsweek poll... 163 David L 18-Apr-05 22:54
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 163 Joyeuse 19-Apr-05 00:32
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 156 JimLewandowski 19-Apr-05 04:18
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 154 Joyeuse 20-Apr-05 02:49
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 211 SunSword 20-Apr-05 14:16
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 171 Joyeuse 21-Apr-05 01:07
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 174 Gordon Strachan 21-Apr-05 15:08
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 215 Paoputzu 21-Apr-05 15:57
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 201 SunSword 21-Apr-05 16:10
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 224 Gordon Strachan 26-Apr-05 14:52


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