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Farseeker wrote:

> In a word... To ensure the existence of the nascent nation of
> America. Remember that in Jesus' own words "give unto Ceaser".
>
> There is no need for a christocentric nation to have within its
> legal documents the word Christ or God to be so focused. In
> fact by leaving that out it ensures a long lasting link between
> religion and state by virtue of its ability to adapt. The fact
> that much of the founding fathers words are in line with both
> the christian teachings and the philosphy of the Greeks and
> Romans is proof positive of how deeply they understood the
> idealogical connections.

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It just so happens the Judeo-Christian "ethic" is the base/foundation because of geography (it's what people grew up with/around). Much the same way the bible belt has more fundamentalists (i.e. they are exposed to fundamentalism at a higher rate than the "blue" state big cities).


To say that this country was not
> founded on christian ideals, for good or ill is a woefull
> misunderstanding on the natures of the men who founded this
> nation.

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While I agree, I think there is a fundamental difference between a believer (Xian) who DOES believe in an interative god and a believer who does NOT believe in an interactive god. Thus, deists seem less "dangerous" to me (philosophically).


Not only the "great men" we all know and love but the
> lesser known thanks to the qhims of history figures like Sam
> Adams (a devout quaker) who could be argued to be responsible
> for creating the spark that would become the burning torch of
> liberty. He was the great firebrand in the beginning after all.

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When it's all said and done, the theocracy thumpers in the U.S. don't care about anything but themselves (and their fellow "believers").

JL

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Christians & the "End of Days" 522 SunSword 04-Apr-05 20:28
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 249 Paoputzu 04-Apr-05 23:36
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 241 Kboldt 05-Apr-05 17:18
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 268 Paoputzu 07-Apr-05 12:14
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 183 Jaimi2 05-Apr-05 16:30
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 196 whytebyrd 05-Apr-05 17:41
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 257 Kboldt 05-Apr-05 18:12
I would like to add... 264 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 14:24
And I would like to add... 240 Lee McGiffen 06-Apr-05 16:00
Re: And I would like to add... 243 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:06
Re: And I would like to add... 210 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:18
Re: And I would like to add... 253 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:47
Re: And I would like to add... 175 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:54
Re: And I would like to add... 251 SunSword 06-Apr-05 19:46
Re: And I would like to add... 179 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 19:55
Re: And I would like to add... 221 Cesar 06-Apr-05 22:44
more of a deistic take on things 196 JimLewandowski 07-Apr-05 15:22
Re: And I would like to add... 293 Briffits 09-Apr-05 10:26
Re: And I would like to add... 216 Lee McGiffen 12-Apr-05 11:45
Re: And I would like to add... 213 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 13:10
you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 176 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 16:43
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 236 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 17:00
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 184 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 19:00
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 236 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 19:56
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 193 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 20:13
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 194 Cesar 12-Apr-05 20:40
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 237 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 20:44
I've always felt the phrase "all men are created equal" 188 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 23:07
Re: I've always felt the phrase "all men are created equal" 215 Cesar 13-Apr-05 09:45
Re: And I would like to add... 232 SunSword 12-Apr-05 14:06
Re: And I would like to add... 199 Lee McGiffen 13-Apr-05 10:55
then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 185 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 17:32
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 261 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:12
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 206 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:16
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 186 Joyeuse 09-Apr-05 02:21
forgot the link for information 169 Joyeuse 09-Apr-05 02:36
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 177 Farseeker 11-Apr-05 19:15
in the end, it's all geography 198 JimLewandowski 11-Apr-05 20:57
Re: in the end, it's all geography 176 Farseeker 11-Apr-05 21:28
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 184 Diomede 05-Apr-05 22:10
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 197 Gordon Strachan 07-Apr-05 16:13
No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 250 SunSword 07-Apr-05 17:24
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 192 Paoputzu 08-Apr-05 01:58
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 225 SunSword 08-Apr-05 15:09
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 172 Paoputzu 08-Apr-05 16:39
fundamentalism is on the rise around the globe 180 JimLewandowski 08-Apr-05 17:07
The End is coming... 210 Lee McGiffen 09-Apr-05 08:20
Re: The End is coming... 185 JamesH 09-Apr-05 14:37
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 190 Kattmanndoo 15-Apr-05 03:12
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 212 Cesar 15-Apr-05 07:36
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 170 Gordon Strachan 15-Apr-05 17:11
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 229 SunSword 15-Apr-05 17:20
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 246 Kboldt 15-Apr-05 18:05
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 184 Gordon Strachan 18-Apr-05 15:35
Neo-Cons & "Apocolyptic" Christians 227 SunSword 18-Apr-05 16:41
According to a Newsweek poll... 174 David L 18-Apr-05 22:54
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 173 Joyeuse 19-Apr-05 00:32
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 167 JimLewandowski 19-Apr-05 04:18
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 164 Joyeuse 20-Apr-05 02:49
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 231 SunSword 20-Apr-05 14:16
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 181 Joyeuse 21-Apr-05 01:07
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 186 Gordon Strachan 21-Apr-05 15:08
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 230 Paoputzu 21-Apr-05 15:57
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 221 SunSword 21-Apr-05 16:10
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 241 Gordon Strachan 26-Apr-05 14:52


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