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Kboldt wrote:

> JimLewandowski wrote:
>
> > Jefferson accepts the DOCTRINES of Jesus (sermon on the
> Mount)
> > but NOT his divinity. HUGE difference between your and my
> > definition of Christian.
>
> Jefferson never stated that Jesus was not Divine. I challenge
> you to find these words in anything he wrote. I've gone over
> everything I can find on Jefferson. I don't see it anywhere.

***
Precisely. But he took a copy of the bible, and with scissors, excised anything related to "deity" or "divinity". Speaks pretty loudly to me.


>
> You have to understand me. I thought he was a "deist" as well
> until I did some investigation. I'm only interested in the
> truth.
>
> you stated:
> > Jefferson also had slaves (i.e. not Christian in his
> ACTIONS).
>
> Perfection is not a prerequisite of being a Christian, only to
> believe and follow as best you can.

***
OK, Jefferson was following OT law (LOL!).



I do not promote that
> Jefferson was a perfect man. Only the truth about him. To say
> that he wasn't a good man is to say that King Solomon or King
> David weren't good either because they had many wives and
> children. Or because David sent Bathsheba's husband off to be
> killed in war. Yet God still loved and blessed them. Jefferson
> was a "sinner" just like the rest of us. The Bible preaches
> that "all men fall short of the glory of God". It makes no
> pretense otherwise.
>
> PBS presented a show about 6 months ago on Thomas Jefferson. It
> seems that his slaves were treated as paid servents. The
> archaeological dig revealed that the slaves/servants owned
> valuable personal property. Valuables such as gold coins,
> porcelainware, clothing, etc. The investigation showed that
> they all ate very well, also. He did need them to tend his
> large self-supportive farm and they were well taken care of.
>
> Jefferson loved and fathered children with one of his slaves
> Sally Hemings after his wife's death. He was a lonely man. But
> the fact that her children also inherited his personal property
> is proof that he was good man and he considered her of high
> esteem. And his slaves were set free upon his death. But most
> stayed on as hired servants because they loved Monticello.

***
And the Constitution still lacks the word or concept of "god".

JL


>
> kind regards,
> Kim


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Subject Views Written By Posted
Christians & the "End of Days" 466 SunSword 04-Apr-05 20:28
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 231 Paoputzu 04-Apr-05 23:36
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 221 Kboldt 05-Apr-05 17:18
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 250 Paoputzu 07-Apr-05 12:14
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 166 Jaimi2 05-Apr-05 16:30
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 179 whytebyrd 05-Apr-05 17:41
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 237 Kboldt 05-Apr-05 18:12
I would like to add... 241 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 14:24
And I would like to add... 222 Lee McGiffen 06-Apr-05 16:00
Re: And I would like to add... 222 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:06
Re: And I would like to add... 193 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:18
Re: And I would like to add... 232 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:47
Re: And I would like to add... 157 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:54
Re: And I would like to add... 217 SunSword 06-Apr-05 19:46
Re: And I would like to add... 160 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 19:55
Re: And I would like to add... 199 Cesar 06-Apr-05 22:44
more of a deistic take on things 180 JimLewandowski 07-Apr-05 15:22
Re: And I would like to add... 267 Briffits 09-Apr-05 10:26
Re: And I would like to add... 202 Lee McGiffen 12-Apr-05 11:45
Re: And I would like to add... 192 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 13:10
you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 159 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 16:43
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 214 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 17:00
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 167 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 19:00
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 216 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 19:56
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 174 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 20:13
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 175 Cesar 12-Apr-05 20:40
Re: you can approach this "problem" in 3 ways 216 Kboldt 12-Apr-05 20:44
I've always felt the phrase "all men are created equal" 170 JimLewandowski 12-Apr-05 23:07
Re: I've always felt the phrase "all men are created equal" 195 Cesar 13-Apr-05 09:45
Re: And I would like to add... 198 SunSword 12-Apr-05 14:06
Re: And I would like to add... 182 Lee McGiffen 13-Apr-05 10:55
then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 166 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 17:32
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 240 Kboldt 06-Apr-05 18:12
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 188 JimLewandowski 06-Apr-05 18:16
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 170 Joyeuse 09-Apr-05 02:21
forgot the link for information 153 Joyeuse 09-Apr-05 02:36
Re: then why would Jefferson CUT out of the bible 159 Farseeker 11-Apr-05 19:15
in the end, it's all geography 179 JimLewandowski 11-Apr-05 20:57
Re: in the end, it's all geography 159 Farseeker 11-Apr-05 21:28
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 167 Diomede 05-Apr-05 22:10
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 182 Gordon Strachan 07-Apr-05 16:13
No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 218 SunSword 07-Apr-05 17:24
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 175 Paoputzu 08-Apr-05 01:58
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 194 SunSword 08-Apr-05 15:09
Re: No real percentage increase in Evangelical vote for Bush in 2004 157 Paoputzu 08-Apr-05 16:39
fundamentalism is on the rise around the globe 162 JimLewandowski 08-Apr-05 17:07
The End is coming... 192 Lee McGiffen 09-Apr-05 08:20
Re: The End is coming... 167 JamesH 09-Apr-05 14:37
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 174 Kattmanndoo 15-Apr-05 03:12
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 189 Cesar 15-Apr-05 07:36
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 153 Gordon Strachan 15-Apr-05 17:11
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 197 SunSword 15-Apr-05 17:20
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 222 Kboldt 15-Apr-05 18:05
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 167 Gordon Strachan 18-Apr-05 15:35
Neo-Cons & "Apocolyptic" Christians 192 SunSword 18-Apr-05 16:41
According to a Newsweek poll... 157 David L 18-Apr-05 22:54
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 157 Joyeuse 19-Apr-05 00:32
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 149 JimLewandowski 19-Apr-05 04:18
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 147 Joyeuse 20-Apr-05 02:49
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 199 SunSword 20-Apr-05 14:16
Re: According to a Newsweek poll... 166 Joyeuse 21-Apr-05 01:07
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 168 Gordon Strachan 21-Apr-05 15:08
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 206 Paoputzu 21-Apr-05 15:57
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 188 SunSword 21-Apr-05 16:10
Re: Christians & the "End of Days" 216 Gordon Strachan 26-Apr-05 14:52


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