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Hi Tom I was wondering how wide spread the symbolism of wine as spirit is historically. I read in Sufism (Idres Shaw) it was used to symbolize Mystic states. What do you feel is the signifigance of the wine symbolism in Christianity and do yout think it had it's origins Dyonysis alone?

Steve

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And Genesis 6:4 will supply your answer 507 JimLewandowski 24-Jul-04 21:40


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