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Drew, hi, the importance of the Qesem swan wing bone is the manner that it pushes back shamanism and animisim to a much earlier date. So far back that it is beyond the realms current understanding. Moreover, the greater mystery is whether those behind these actions were pre-dispersal modern humans, proto Denisovans or something else altogether. This has been the question going around in my head now for days, and one I seriously want to try and address with what pieces of the puzzle we have so far.

I will leave you with one thing. The teeth relating to a date of 420 kya in the Qesem cave - the same age as the swan wing bone - are more humanlike like than those of younger occupational levels. These begin to show Neanderthal traits. I suspect introgression between the earlier Qesem individuals and the later Neanderthals. I can't see one turning into the other, although this can never be ruled out.

So who was humanity's community ancestor?? And what was he/she doing between 800 kya when we split with the common ancestor of the Neanderthals and Denisovans and 400 kys when the Qesem individuals were doing their thing?

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Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 2075 drew 02-Oct-19 09:33
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 309 Andrew Collins 02-Oct-19 11:54
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 292 Alexander4450 02-Oct-19 20:27
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 283 Andrew Collins 02-Oct-19 22:33
Qesem Cave and swan wing 247 drew 06-Oct-19 03:07
Re: Qesem Cave and swan wing 223 Andrew Collins Author 06-Oct-19 04:50
Re: Qesem Cave and swan wing 268 MDaines 06-Oct-19 07:13
Re: Qesem Cave and swan wing 233 Andrew Collins Author 10-Oct-19 03:05
Qesem KE-SEM 247 MDaines 11-Oct-19 09:03
Re: Qesem KE-SEM 207 Andrew Collins 17-Oct-19 22:42
KE-EZEM the Locus 207 MDaines 18-Oct-19 09:26
Re: Qesem Cave and swan wing 241 drew 08-Oct-19 00:21
Re: Qesem Cave and swan wing 218 Andrew Collins Author 10-Oct-19 03:04
Re: Qesem Cave and swan wing 228 drew 11-Oct-19 00:49
Re: Qesem Cave and swan wing 176 Andrew Collins 17-Oct-19 22:33
Swan wing 236 drew 08-Oct-19 23:27
Re: Swan wing 201 Andrew Collins Author 10-Oct-19 03:06
Re: Swan wing 194 PB Bytes 10-Oct-19 20:24
Re: Swan wing 224 drew 15-Oct-19 06:36
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 198 seasmith 18-Oct-19 22:47
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 193 Thanos5150 24-Oct-19 01:57
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Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 216 Andrew Collins Author 06-Oct-19 04:47
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 275 drew 03-Oct-19 00:32
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 207 Andrew Collins Author 06-Oct-19 04:58
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 230 Susan Doris 05-Oct-19 14:42
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 228 Andrew Collins Author 06-Oct-19 05:06
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 227 Susan Doris 06-Oct-19 06:19
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 223 Greg Little 08-Oct-19 00:17
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Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 194 Andrew Collins 17-Oct-19 22:21
Swans and stuff 216 drew 17-Oct-19 00:40
Re: Swans and stuff 208 Andrew Collins 17-Oct-19 22:27
Re: Who influenced the Denisovans...or should that be what? 200 Greg Little 20-Oct-19 19:59
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