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Naveen Wrote:
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> Poster Boy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I would need more time so I will come back on
> > it."
> >
> > Please do! Maybe this, if I knew you well the
> day
> > before you did your 23-day experience, how
> would
> > you seem different, and how would you
> say
> > you were different the day after this journey? :
> )
>
> Hallo PB,
>
> “Chopping the wood and fetching the water”
> So no change detectible there and yet…
> Things changed.
>
> Our very close friend Ben was suffering from lung
> cancer, one lung removed already; almost the end
> of the line. Chemotherapy the only option left. I
> advised against it and he felt the same. Through a
> college we became acquainted with the head of the
> Santo Daime church in Holland. ..) it was clear to me that
> I had to participate too if I wanted to stay in
> touch and help my friend.
> And so I did.
>
.....it is quite impossible to
> answer your question in a couple of sentences.

That's not surprising, yet it is very surprising in a way. Given what I've read about aya, in no small part it's paradigm-altering effects, I would think that one would experience very significant differences during a 23 day period in which one ingested 21 times. Such behavior steers me in the direction of Himalayan caves, 40 days in the desert, etc.

My conjecture then, is that there was something very normal or natural that you recognized in the effects from the start... maybe like, this is normal and transcendent.


> But I can pick out one change:
>
> Before all this, still at home, I was reluctant to
> follow an intuition I had to become a therapist
> beside the profession I had already. I was
> struggling with that.
> After the sessions and the flight back home,
> setting foot again on Dutch soil, right at that
> moment it “hit me” that now the time had come
> to go for that “therapist education”.
> And so I did.
>
> Is becoming who you are a change?

I would say yes, definitely, if the gesture entails you taking a bold step that you hadn't until then. The authenticity of the step, spiritually speaking, will tend to become evident over time.

You know if becoming a therapist truly was a good move, for you, which is the only subject who matters.

I've heard of people going off the deep end the wrong way though. Some guy apparently felt called upon to construct a pyramid in the jungles of Peru after one such trip. This story is probably well known. As I recall, the whole thing collapsed soon afterwards. A most instructive-ignored example of such behavior is Terrance McKenna, when he did all of his work on Timewave Zero stoned, that was supposed to lead to something AMAZING come 2012. By then it was already known that his fractal history curve was too flawed to take seriously, but not before it became a staple in the New Age Mayan mythos.

I try to stay open to all possibilities, but the source matters quite a bit to me, when it comes to the matter of who might recommend substances like aya for "spiritual" purposes. You're the first person this month that I would say has positively impressed me in this regard. But then again, I've become quite familiar with you, Naveen, through previous postings and - perhaps more importantly, to me - through the lessons you've learned from your own spiritual experiences. It's not that you've "sold" me through your testimonial - I've already decided that I'll probably try aya at sometime. But in looking ahead to that time, I figured that I ought to leave myself in a position where it was possible to go deep into the experience, rather than as just a one-off. You certainly seemed to have done just that with your 21 trips in 23 days.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 17-Sep-19 01:23 by Poster Boy.

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Ayahuasca as a global phenomenon 1973 DanielPinchbeck 06-Sep-19 21:25
Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 275 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 01:05
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 257 DanielPinchbeck 07-Sep-19 02:01
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 252 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 04:29
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 242 PB Bytes 07-Sep-19 15:04
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 245 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 15:52
A theory 240 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 17:05
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 239 DanielPinchbeck 08-Sep-19 00:18
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 233 PB Bytes 08-Sep-19 16:03
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 261 DanielPinchbeck 08-Sep-19 16:44
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 233 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 11:25
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 230 DanielPinchbeck 09-Sep-19 11:34
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 238 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 16:07
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 225 DanielPinchbeck 16-Sep-19 12:23
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 246 DanielPinchbeck 07-Sep-19 17:21
Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 253 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 18:07
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 248 Naveen 07-Sep-19 21:07
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 253 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 00:40
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 229 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 17:54
The fast way 232 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The fast way 232 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 21:36
Re: The fast way 251 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 05:35
Re: The fast way 211 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 14:13
The "common sense way" 216 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 15:10
Re: The "common sense way" 218 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 15:23
Re: The "common sense way" 209 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:02
Re: The "common sense way" 220 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 23:26
Re: The "common sense way" 213 greengirl5 11-Sep-19 04:07
Re: The "common sense way" 207 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 09:08
Re: The fast way 232 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 12:39
Re: The fast way 241 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 17:11
spiritual--or recreational? 216 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 19:42
Re: spiritual--or recreational? 229 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 20:17
a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 220 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 04:13
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 207 PB Bytes 11-Sep-19 04:22
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 207 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 06:02
Van Gogh No Nothing 217 Barbelo 11-Sep-19 11:05
My main point 214 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 13:38
protocol + theology 207 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 19:37
Re: protocol + theology 218 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 21:39
Great! 207 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:54
Re: The fast way 199 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:06
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 210 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:47
Thanks 214 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:51
Re: Thanks 211 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:21
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 226 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 17:55
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 216 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:49
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 218 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 21:38
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 200 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:14
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 245 PB Bytes 11-Sep-19 22:18
Changes? 212 Naveen 15-Sep-19 21:43
Re: Changes? 219 PB Bytes 16-Sep-19 23:02
Re: Changes? 205 Naveen 18-Sep-19 15:47
Re: Changes? 211 PB Bytes 18-Sep-19 20:15
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 273 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 23:32
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 264 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 00:53
Revised impressions 201 drrayeye 20-Sep-19 00:46
Not impressed 212 PB Bytes 20-Sep-19 17:22
WOW 205 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 03:01
Re: Revised impressions 220 jazzmumbles 21-Sep-19 04:26
Re: Revised impressions 233 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 05:31
Re: Revised impressions 209 jazzmumbles 30-Sep-19 00:19
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