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Poster Boy Wrote:
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> "I would need more time so I will come back on
> it."
>
> Please do! Maybe this, if I knew you well the day
> before you did your 23-day experience, how would
> you seem different, and how would you say
> you were different the day after this journey? : )

Hallo PB,

“Chopping the wood and fetching the water”
So no change detectible there and yet…
Things changed.

Our very close friend Ben was suffering from lung cancer, one lung removed already; almost the end of the line. Chemotherapy the only option left. I advised against it and he felt the same. Through a college we became acquainted with the head of the Santo Daime church in Holland. She was stable with a head tumor for over 6 years and claimed that it was the Daime (ayahuasca) that had kept her alive (prognosis was that she should have died after the first year)
So he decided to go for the daime instead of chemotherapy. And made the proper arrangements. They demanded over there that someone (friend, family) would accompany him. Normally my wife would have accompanied him, but at the crucial moment when a friend in a booking-office had found us a flight (very hard to find on such a short notice) she was not reachable and we had to decide there and then that I would accompany him,
This was on Thursday, we flew on Saturday.
Never heard of the word “ayahuasca”; thought I was bringing my friend to some shaman or Indian wizard and stay in some hotel or lodge or whatever.
The shaman turned out to be a psychiatrist from Boston of Portuguese decent and a “mestre” of the Santo Daime church. It was called “a workshop” and there were 9 people participating: 7 Americans 2 Dutch (we) and an occasional Brazilian. As soon as I had arrived there (nature area up in the mountains) it was clear to me that I had to participate too if I wanted to stay in touch and help my friend.
And so I did.

That’s how I came in there (Ceu da Montanha near Maua de Visconde near Resende).

So I was a stranger there and yet felt at home; me participating was only natural.

I described this “prologue” more or less in detail to point out that I was not looking for any “trip”, “enlightenment” or whatever, just helping out a friend.

Also to point out that it is quite impossible to answer your question in a couple of sentences.
But I can pick out one change:

Before all this, still at home, I was reluctant to follow an intuition I had to become a therapist beside the profession I had already. I was struggling with that.
After the sessions and the flight back home, setting foot again on Dutch soil, right at that moment it “hit me” that now the time had come to go for that “therapist education”.
And so I did.

Is becoming who you are a change?

I know this doesn’t answer your question, but I do hope It gives you “a feel” for the kind of impact it can have.

Still: chopping…..

Naveen.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Ayahuasca as a global phenomenon 1973 DanielPinchbeck 06-Sep-19 21:25
Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 276 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 01:05
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 257 DanielPinchbeck 07-Sep-19 02:01
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 252 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 04:29
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 242 PB Bytes 07-Sep-19 15:04
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 245 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 15:52
A theory 240 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 17:05
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 240 DanielPinchbeck 08-Sep-19 00:18
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 234 PB Bytes 08-Sep-19 16:03
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 261 DanielPinchbeck 08-Sep-19 16:44
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 234 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 11:25
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 230 DanielPinchbeck 09-Sep-19 11:34
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 239 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 16:07
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 225 DanielPinchbeck 16-Sep-19 12:23
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 247 DanielPinchbeck 07-Sep-19 17:21
Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 253 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 18:07
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 248 Naveen 07-Sep-19 21:07
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 253 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 00:40
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 229 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 17:54
The fast way 232 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The fast way 232 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 21:36
Re: The fast way 251 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 05:35
Re: The fast way 211 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 14:13
The "common sense way" 216 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 15:10
Re: The "common sense way" 218 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 15:23
Re: The "common sense way" 209 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:02
Re: The "common sense way" 220 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 23:26
Re: The "common sense way" 213 greengirl5 11-Sep-19 04:07
Re: The "common sense way" 207 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 09:08
Re: The fast way 232 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 12:39
Re: The fast way 241 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 17:11
spiritual--or recreational? 216 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 19:42
Re: spiritual--or recreational? 229 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 20:17
a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 220 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 04:13
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 207 PB Bytes 11-Sep-19 04:22
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 207 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 06:02
Van Gogh No Nothing 217 Barbelo 11-Sep-19 11:05
My main point 214 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 13:38
protocol + theology 207 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 19:37
Re: protocol + theology 218 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 21:39
Great! 207 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:54
Re: The fast way 199 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:06
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 211 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:47
Thanks 214 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:51
Re: Thanks 211 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:21
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 226 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 17:55
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 216 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:49
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 218 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 21:38
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 200 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:14
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 245 PB Bytes 11-Sep-19 22:18
Changes? 212 Naveen 15-Sep-19 21:43
Re: Changes? 220 PB Bytes 16-Sep-19 23:02
Re: Changes? 206 Naveen 18-Sep-19 15:47
Re: Changes? 211 PB Bytes 18-Sep-19 20:15
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 273 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 23:32
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 264 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 00:53
Revised impressions 201 drrayeye 20-Sep-19 00:46
Not impressed 212 PB Bytes 20-Sep-19 17:22
WOW 205 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 03:01
Re: Revised impressions 220 jazzmumbles 21-Sep-19 04:26
Re: Revised impressions 233 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 05:31
Re: Revised impressions 209 jazzmumbles 30-Sep-19 00:19
Rick Strassman 341 drrayeye 30-Sep-19 06:38


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