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Pancho,

There are numerous examples of schizophrenics who express themselves in what is sometimes called schizophrenic art, and some schizophrenics have on--off experiences that mimic experiences with substances. Van Gogh is usually given as an example with his "starry starry night" painting.

I'm not sure if the expressions of schizophrenia in art reflect experiences of substance users--viewed broadly--but I am sure that spiritual development over many years without substances is different.

Witness Tolstoy, Schweitzer, and Gandhi.

Ray

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a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 9 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 04:13
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Thanks 13 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:51
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