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Pancho,

There are numerous examples of schizophrenics who express themselves in what is sometimes called schizophrenic art, and some schizophrenics have on--off experiences that mimic experiences with substances. Van Gogh is usually given as an example with his "starry starry night" painting.

I'm not sure if the expressions of schizophrenia in art reflect experiences of substance users--viewed broadly--but I am sure that spiritual development over many years without substances is different.

Witness Tolstoy, Schweitzer, and Gandhi.

Ray

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Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 147 DanielPinchbeck 07-Sep-19 17:21
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Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 150 Naveen 07-Sep-19 21:07
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Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 131 Poster Boy 09-Sep-19 17:54
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Re: The fast way 132 Poster Boy 09-Sep-19 21:36
Re: The fast way 158 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 05:35
Re: The fast way 122 Poster Boy 10-Sep-19 14:13
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Re: The "common sense way" 125 Poster Boy 10-Sep-19 15:23
Re: The "common sense way" 121 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:02
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Re: The "common sense way" 119 greengirl5 11-Sep-19 04:07
Re: The "common sense way" 117 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 09:08
Re: The fast way 136 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 12:39
Re: The fast way 144 Poster Boy 10-Sep-19 17:11
spiritual--or recreational? 127 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 19:42
Re: spiritual--or recreational? 130 Poster Boy 10-Sep-19 20:17
a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 126 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 04:13
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 117 Poster Boy 11-Sep-19 04:22
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 116 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 06:02
Van Gogh No Nothing 126 Barbelo 11-Sep-19 11:05
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Re: protocol + theology 121 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 21:39
Great! 117 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:54
Re: The fast way 115 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:06
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 123 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:47
Thanks 124 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:51
Re: Thanks 120 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:21
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 132 Poster Boy 09-Sep-19 17:55
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 126 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:49
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 127 Poster Boy 10-Sep-19 21:38
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 116 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:14
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 147 Poster Boy 11-Sep-19 22:18
Changes? 123 Naveen 15-Sep-19 21:43
Re: Changes? 126 Poster Boy 16-Sep-19 23:02
Re: Changes? 114 Naveen 18-Sep-19 15:47
Re: Changes? 117 Poster Boy 18-Sep-19 20:15
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