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Mark,

The Christian model of Spiritual growth has two forms: 1. slow and incremential or 2. near instantaneous through Religious conversian to Christianity. My own personal experience was the first--consistent with all of my Spiritual models {Tolstoy, Schweitzer, and Gandhi). It's really the second model, Religious conversion, that best compares to substance experiences. In the Christian model, it's the consequence of a Religious confession; with substances, it's the consequence of a trip.

If one were to study any substance experience, the appropriate comparison would be to someone who experienced conversion. I'd predict that Christian converts and Substance discoverers of Spirituality have parallel experiences different from type 1 Christians--who experience deepening of Spirituality almost unaware.

It would be an interesting type of study to carry out.

Ray

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Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 256 DanielPinchbeck 07-Sep-19 02:01
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 252 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 04:29
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 241 PB Bytes 07-Sep-19 15:04
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 244 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 15:52
A theory 239 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 17:05
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 239 DanielPinchbeck 08-Sep-19 00:18
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 233 PB Bytes 08-Sep-19 16:03
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 261 DanielPinchbeck 08-Sep-19 16:44
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 233 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 11:25
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 230 DanielPinchbeck 09-Sep-19 11:34
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 238 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 16:07
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 225 DanielPinchbeck 16-Sep-19 12:23
Re: Baba Fats vs. Gimmesome Roy 246 DanielPinchbeck 07-Sep-19 17:21
Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 253 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 18:07
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 248 Naveen 07-Sep-19 21:07
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 253 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 00:40
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 229 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 17:54
The fast way 232 drrayeye 09-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The fast way 232 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 21:36
Re: The fast way 251 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 05:35
Re: The fast way 211 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 14:13
The "common sense way" 216 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 15:10
Re: The "common sense way" 218 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 15:23
Re: The "common sense way" 209 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:02
Re: The "common sense way" 220 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 23:26
Re: The "common sense way" 213 greengirl5 11-Sep-19 04:07
Re: The "common sense way" 206 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 09:08
Re: The fast way 232 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 12:39
Re: The fast way 241 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 17:11
spiritual--or recreational? 216 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 19:42
Re: spiritual--or recreational? 229 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 20:17
a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 220 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 04:13
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 207 PB Bytes 11-Sep-19 04:22
Re: a scientific skeptic--not a debunker 207 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 06:02
Van Gogh No Nothing 217 Barbelo 11-Sep-19 11:05
My main point 214 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 13:38
protocol + theology 207 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 19:37
Re: protocol + theology 218 DanielPinchbeck 10-Sep-19 21:39
Great! 207 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:54
Re: The fast way 199 greengirl5 10-Sep-19 23:06
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 210 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:47
Thanks 214 drrayeye 10-Sep-19 22:51
Re: Thanks 211 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:21
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 225 PB Bytes 09-Sep-19 17:55
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 216 Naveen 10-Sep-19 20:49
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 218 PB Bytes 10-Sep-19 21:38
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 200 Naveen 11-Sep-19 21:14
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 245 PB Bytes 11-Sep-19 22:18
Changes? 212 Naveen 15-Sep-19 21:43
Re: Changes? 219 PB Bytes 16-Sep-19 23:02
Re: Changes? 205 Naveen 18-Sep-19 15:47
Re: Changes? 211 PB Bytes 18-Sep-19 20:15
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrtive 273 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 23:32
Re: Please refer to the Silverstein narrative 264 drrayeye 08-Sep-19 00:53
Revised impressions 201 drrayeye 20-Sep-19 00:46
Not impressed 212 PB Bytes 20-Sep-19 17:22
WOW 205 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 03:01
Re: Revised impressions 220 jazzmumbles 21-Sep-19 04:26
Re: Revised impressions 233 drrayeye 21-Sep-19 05:31
Re: Revised impressions 209 jazzmumbles 30-Sep-19 00:19
Rick Strassman 341 drrayeye 30-Sep-19 06:38


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