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drrayeye Wrote:
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> I'm still not sure how to characterize
> consciousness, Darryl.
>
> On one hand, there is solid scientific information
> to expand the concept, but the science, itself, is
> confused.
>
> On the other hand, there is a strong experiential
> justification for a Spirituality that transcends
> physical dimensions, but that's tied in with the
> confusion of science.
>
> It's been my field of study, it's a mess, and I
> can't see very clearly through the wreckage.

Consciousness is the real "final frontier", in my opinion - especially given my dabbling with psi.

My view of consciousness is abstract, because we haven't been able to get a handle on it scientifically. And the best approach to abstract thinking is to dispense with any ideas that definitely don't fit scientifically, and see what I'm left with. The one idea that doesn't fit is the view that consciousness is a metaphysical object sitting inside the brain (mind/soul/psyche), wholely distinct from matter. (It's ironic that this is the view that most people intuitively hold, but it's verifiably untrue, due to the fact that physical changes in the brain cause changes to consciousness.)

So if consciousness isn't an object (noun), can we model it as a verb? And that's the way forward, I think. It's not a statement that consciousness isn't real, but that it's a process in constant flux, not an entity.

Darryl

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Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 10954 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 13:57
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 177 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 23:33
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 173 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 18:37
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 160 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 04:07
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 160 Darryl Sloan 11-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 166 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 13:20
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 152 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:06
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 151 drrayeye 13-Jun-19 12:02
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 162 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:40
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 148 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:24
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 153 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:47
Entanglement is a sort of buzz word 152 greengirl5 13-Jun-19 23:03
Not in physics 146 drrayeye 13-Jun-19 23:37
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 139 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 08:40
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 160 Eddie Larry 14-Jun-19 13:41
computer emulation/simulation 149 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 21:39
Re: computer emulation/simulation 142 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 08:40
Consciousness 136 drrayeye 20-Jun-19 11:37
Re: Consciousness 163 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 12:14
Re: Consciousness 140 rulebook54 25-Jun-19 09:37
Re: Consciousness 147 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:01
Re: Consciousness 155 cloister 25-Jun-19 11:02
Expanding consciousness--but how much? 143 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 01:02
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 129 Darryl Sloan 28-Jun-19 09:33
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 132 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 14:52
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 115 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 19:06
Unfortunately 131 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 15:55
Re: Unfortunately 129 Susan Doris 29-Jun-19 05:19
Impossible to explain 126 drrayeye 29-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Impossible to explain 149 Susan Doris 29-Jun-19 12:25
Re: Unfortunately 480 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 19:18
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 141 Eddie Larry 28-Jun-19 17:04
Pythagoras and the much talked about consciousness 134 greengirl5 29-Jun-19 06:05
terrific 129 drrayeye 29-Jun-19 11:05
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 148 rulebook54 28-Jun-19 18:09
Who's this "we"? 143 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 22:59


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