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drrayeye Wrote:
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> I'm still not sure how to characterize
> consciousness, Darryl.
>
> On one hand, there is solid scientific information
> to expand the concept, but the science, itself, is
> confused.
>
> On the other hand, there is a strong experiential
> justification for a Spirituality that transcends
> physical dimensions, but that's tied in with the
> confusion of science.
>
> It's been my field of study, it's a mess, and I
> can't see very clearly through the wreckage.

Consciousness is the real "final frontier", in my opinion - especially given my dabbling with psi.

My view of consciousness is abstract, because we haven't been able to get a handle on it scientifically. And the best approach to abstract thinking is to dispense with any ideas that definitely don't fit scientifically, and see what I'm left with. The one idea that doesn't fit is the view that consciousness is a metaphysical object sitting inside the brain (mind/soul/psyche), wholely distinct from matter. (It's ironic that this is the view that most people intuitively hold, but it's verifiably untrue, due to the fact that physical changes in the brain cause changes to consciousness.)

So if consciousness isn't an object (noun), can we model it as a verb? And that's the way forward, I think. It's not a statement that consciousness isn't real, but that it's a process in constant flux, not an entity.

Darryl

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 11520 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 13:57
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 235 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 23:33
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 227 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 18:37
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 208 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 04:07
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 218 Darryl Sloan 11-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 219 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 13:20
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 208 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:06
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 209 drrayeye 13-Jun-19 12:02
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 214 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:40
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 205 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:24
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 203 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:47
Entanglement is a sort of buzz word 203 greengirl5 13-Jun-19 23:03
Not in physics 194 drrayeye 13-Jun-19 23:37
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 189 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 08:40
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 215 Eddie Larry 14-Jun-19 13:41
computer emulation/simulation 195 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 21:39
Re: computer emulation/simulation 194 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 08:40
Consciousness 188 drrayeye 20-Jun-19 11:37
Re: Consciousness 217 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 12:14
Re: Consciousness 191 rulebook54 25-Jun-19 09:37
Re: Consciousness 203 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:01
Re: Consciousness 208 cloister 25-Jun-19 11:02
Expanding consciousness--but how much? 201 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 01:02
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 179 Darryl Sloan 28-Jun-19 09:33
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 186 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 14:52
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 162 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 19:06
Unfortunately 186 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 15:55
Re: Unfortunately 183 Susan Doris 29-Jun-19 05:19
Impossible to explain 178 drrayeye 29-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Impossible to explain 196 Susan Doris 29-Jun-19 12:25
Re: Unfortunately 560 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 19:18
Re: Expanding consciousness--but how much? 190 Eddie Larry 28-Jun-19 17:04
Pythagoras and the much talked about consciousness 183 greengirl5 29-Jun-19 06:05
terrific 176 drrayeye 29-Jun-19 11:05
Re: Doesn't wonderment require a sense of spirituality? 200 rulebook54 28-Jun-19 18:09
Who's this "we"? 190 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 22:59


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