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You are quite correct, Susan. But your point calls for a clarification of how we use language in this context.

If someone calculates the probability of something occurring to be 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000001, then many people will say that the chance is "zero" when they really mean it to be "virtually zero."

Going the other way, as with DNA matching, one might say that the criminal "is" guilty because the probability of evidence pointing to the criminal is .99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999. Technically speaking, the language is in accurate for the same reason.

And here we come to a dichotomy that I see very often. When people are taking a positive view on an outcome, when they apply this kind of interpretation they may say that there's a 1 in 10 quadrillion chance that the evidence does not point to the criminal. The positive thinkers here will focus on the 10 quadrillion. If they can't dispute the evidence, which would lower the 10 quadrillion side of the equation, the only recourse for the negative thinkers involves pointing to the 1, saying, So you're telling me there is a chance?

In general, we reject this approach because it ignores serious discussions of evidence and sounds like a cop-out. The only rational approach is to address the evidence head-on, that which led to the 10 quadrillion finding. This, I have found, is one of the easier way to detect a skeptic from a pseudo skeptic, and a reasoned believer from one who accepts things on faith, regardless of the evidence, if necessary.

I have no opinion on whether a universe preceded this one, by the way. I don't care. All I know is that a lot of people throw around "is" and "is not", 1 or 0, when it is more correct to say something like, It is "very, very likely" or "very likely not this or that." That's probably what you're picking up on here.

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Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 799 Graham Hancock 04-Jun-19 15:43
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 76 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:05
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 84 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:13
Definitely not an atheist 99 Robert Jameson 15-Jun-19 07:52
Re: Definitely not an atheist 67 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 10:55
The goldfish analogy 41 Robert Jameson 22-Jun-19 07:23
Re: The goldfish analogy 37 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 10:53
Re: The goldfish analogy 37 Robert Jameson 22-Jun-19 12:27
Re: The goldfish analogy 43 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 15:04
Re: The goldfish analogy 41 Eddie Larry 22-Jun-19 19:16
Making something up is terrific and necessary in Science IF 41 drrayeye 22-Jun-19 21:44
Everything is natural 34 greengirl5 23-Jun-19 00:12
Don't stop there 45 drrayeye 23-Jun-19 00:47
Re: Don't stop there 40 hendrik dirker 23-Jun-19 03:35
I met Thomas Kuhn once, Hendrik, 38 drrayeye 23-Jun-19 05:34
From my 'Out of left field' file 34 Robert Jameson 23-Jun-19 09:55
Re: From my 'Out of left field' file 49 Susan Doris 23-Jun-19 12:52
Re: From my 'Out of left field' file 43 Robert Jameson 24-Jun-19 00:52
The paper clip analogy 38 Robert Jameson 23-Jun-19 00:27
Re: The paper clip analogy and chance 36 greengirl5 23-Jun-19 05:07
Monkeys bashing typewriters does not stack up 33 Robert Jameson 23-Jun-19 10:09
I believe you! 30 greengirl5 23-Jun-19 12:23
science jargon 42 drrayeye 23-Jun-19 06:54
Re: The goldfish analogy 34 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 17:56
big bang 31 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:45
Re: big bang 28 Robert Jameson 25-Jun-19 03:18
Re: big bang 30 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:16
Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 29 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 06:56
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 30 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 07:15
There is more to science 30 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 12:10
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 31 Eddie Larry 26-Jun-19 21:51
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 34 Susan Doris 27-Jun-19 07:28
Rant of the month 29 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 08:30
Re: Rant of the month 24 greengirl5 27-Jun-19 23:15
Teach your children 29 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 03:36
Re: Teach your children 30 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 05:11
Re: Teach your children 25 Darryl Sloan 28-Jun-19 08:17
Re: Teach your children 23 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 10:21
Re: Teach your children 29 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 13:06
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 27 Eddie Larry 27-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 24 Robert Jameson 28-Jun-19 07:36
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 23 Eddie Larry 28-Jun-19 14:25
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 24 Darryl Sloan 28-Jun-19 07:47
Evidence for a creator 38 Robert Jameson 28-Jun-19 09:45
Re: Evidence for a creator 36 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 10:39
Re: Evidence for a creator 31 Robert Jameson 29-Jun-19 07:52
Re: Evidence for a creator 30 Susan Doris 29-Jun-19 09:29
Re: Evidence for a creator 26 Nolondil 30-Jun-19 14:38
Re: Evidence for a creator 24 Susan Doris 30-Jun-19 15:28
Re: Evidence for a creator 20 Eddie Larry 30-Jun-19 18:12
Re: Evidence for a creator 26 Robert Jameson 01-Jul-19 01:49
Re: Evidence for a creator 26 Susan Doris 01-Jul-19 08:12
Re: Evidence for a creator 28 Robert Jameson 01-Jul-19 22:10
Re: Evidence for a creator 27 Susan Doris 02-Jul-19 05:10
Re: Evidence for a creator 41 Robert Jameson 02-Jul-19 06:06
Re: Evidence for a creator 47 Poster Boy 03-Jul-19 17:08
Re: Evidence for a creator 29 drrayeye 29-Jun-19 10:48
Re: Evidence for a creator 25 Robert Jameson 30-Jun-19 01:30
Re: Evidence for a creator 29 Susan Doris 30-Jun-19 04:52
Re: Evidence for a creator and great scientific minds 31 greengirl5 30-Jun-19 05:42
scientistic jargon misses nuances 23 drrayeye 30-Jun-19 12:33
Re: scientistic jargon misses nuances 26 Susan Doris 30-Jun-19 14:02
Re: big bang 28 Darryl Sloan 25-Jun-19 19:26
Re: big bang 28 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 05:10
Re: The goldfish analogy 30 Eddie Larry 25-Jun-19 00:53
Re: The goldfish analogy 28 Darryl Sloan 25-Jun-19 19:36
Re: The goldfish analogy 29 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 20:13
Re: The goldfish analogy 25 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 05:16
Re: The goldfish analogy 29 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 17:48
Re: The goldfish analogy 33 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 17:46
Re: The goldfish analogy 29 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:26
Re: The goldfish analogy 25 Darryl Sloan 25-Jun-19 19:43
Re: The goldfish analogy 27 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 05:25
Re: The goldfish analogy 24 Eddie Larry 26-Jun-19 21:42
Re: The goldfish analogy 33 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 17:30
"self" between the eyes 29 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:53
Re: "self" between the eyes 25 Darryl Sloan 25-Jun-19 19:48
Re: "self" between the eyes 26 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 20:09
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 34 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 19:45
Mod Note > rulebook54 - Threaded vs. Flat View 37 Dr. Troglodyte 24-Jun-19 22:25
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 33 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:39
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 35 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 13:56
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 29 Eddie Larry 25-Jun-19 14:21
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 33 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 15:12
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 35 Eddie Larry 25-Jun-19 16:21
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 29 Darryl Sloan 25-Jun-19 20:18
the kingdom of God is within you 30 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 20:36
Re: the kingdom of God is within you 29 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 05:39
Re: the kingdom of God is within you 25 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 06:33
Re: the kingdom of God is within you 26 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 07:10
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 30 Eddie Larry 25-Jun-19 20:42
Me 28 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 03:08
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 28 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 05:31
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 27 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 20:20
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 35 Darryl Sloan 25-Jun-19 20:04
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 34 Eddie Larry 25-Jun-19 20:37
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 24 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 20:22
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 28 Eddie Larry 26-Jun-19 20:34
Cats and dogs 21 greengirl5 27-Jun-19 23:27
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 35 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 06:54
July coming up 33 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 07:41
Cosmic consciousness-theism! 29 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 07:50
Re: July coming up 33 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 09:08
Re: July coming up 29 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 10:46
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 32 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 20:31
love from above 33 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 23:51
Re: love from above 25 Susan Doris 27-Jun-19 07:36
Kohlberg 25 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 08:06
Re: Kohlberg 24 Susan Doris 27-Jun-19 11:04
Piaget 30 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 19:21
Re: Piaget 24 Eddie Larry 27-Jun-19 21:49
Re: Piaget 22 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 05:23
Re: love from above 18 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 18:43
No time! ? ? 17 greengirl5 30-Jun-19 23:49
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 51 Thanos5150 27-Jun-19 05:27
It's not in the text 37 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:25
Re: It's not in the text 35 Susan Doris 27-Jun-19 07:41
How Suart saves his family 36 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 08:17
Re: How Suart saves his family 40 Susan Doris 27-Jun-19 11:07
No 34 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 18:21
Am I the only one? 39 greengirl5 27-Jun-19 23:53
Re: Am I the only one? 31 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 05:33
Re: Am I the only one? 26 greengirl5 28-Jun-19 08:00
Re: It's not in the text 36 Darryl Sloan 28-Jun-19 09:08
Let's try a different approach 38 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 15:42
Re: Let's try a different approach 19 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 18:58
You are a good guy! 39 greengirl5 28-Jun-19 23:51
Farewell, everyone! 34 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 20:22
Re: Farewell, everyone! 24 drrayeye 30-Jun-19 23:11
lets hear it for the universe 30 jazzmumbles 01-Jul-19 00:55
Re: Farewell, everyone! 23 Eddie Larry 01-Jul-19 02:47
Re: Farewell, everyone! 27 Robert Jameson 01-Jul-19 05:55
Re: Farewell, everyone! 32 Susan Doris 01-Jul-19 08:18


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