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You are quite correct, Susan. But your point calls for a clarification of how we use language in this context.

If someone calculates the probability of something occurring to be 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000001, then many people will say that the chance is "zero" when they really mean it to be "virtually zero."

Going the other way, as with DNA matching, one might say that the criminal "is" guilty because the probability of evidence pointing to the criminal is .99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999. Technically speaking, the language is in accurate for the same reason.

And here we come to a dichotomy that I see very often. When people are taking a positive view on an outcome, when they apply this kind of interpretation they may say that there's a 1 in 10 quadrillion chance that the evidence does not point to the criminal. The positive thinkers here will focus on the 10 quadrillion. If they can't dispute the evidence, which would lower the 10 quadrillion side of the equation, the only recourse for the negative thinkers involves pointing to the 1, saying, So you're telling me there is a chance?

In general, we reject this approach because it ignores serious discussions of evidence and sounds like a cop-out. The only rational approach is to address the evidence head-on, that which led to the 10 quadrillion finding. This, I have found, is one of the easier way to detect a skeptic from a pseudo skeptic, and a reasoned believer from one who accepts things on faith, regardless of the evidence, if necessary.

I have no opinion on whether a universe preceded this one, by the way. I don't care. All I know is that a lot of people throw around "is" and "is not", 1 or 0, when it is more correct to say something like, It is "very, very likely" or "very likely not this or that." That's probably what you're picking up on here.

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Making something up is terrific and necessary in Science IF 193 drrayeye 22-Jun-19 21:44
Everything is natural 185 greengirl5 23-Jun-19 00:12
Don't stop there 195 drrayeye 23-Jun-19 00:47
Re: Don't stop there 193 hendrik dirker 23-Jun-19 03:35
I met Thomas Kuhn once, Hendrik, 187 drrayeye 23-Jun-19 05:34
From my 'Out of left field' file 185 Robert Jameson 23-Jun-19 09:55
Re: From my 'Out of left field' file 201 Susan Doris 23-Jun-19 12:52
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The paper clip analogy 182 Robert Jameson 23-Jun-19 00:27
Re: The paper clip analogy and chance 190 greengirl5 23-Jun-19 05:07
Monkeys bashing typewriters does not stack up 180 Robert Jameson 23-Jun-19 10:09
I believe you! 174 greengirl5 23-Jun-19 12:23
science jargon 194 drrayeye 23-Jun-19 06:54
Re: The goldfish analogy 185 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 17:56
big bang 182 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:45
Re: big bang 180 Robert Jameson 25-Jun-19 03:18
Re: big bang 171 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:16
Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 166 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 06:56
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 179 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 07:15
There is more to science 169 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 12:10
Re: Science vs. philosophy vs. pop culture 171 Eddie Larry 26-Jun-19 21:51
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Rant of the month 184 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 08:30
Re: Rant of the month 169 greengirl5 27-Jun-19 23:15
Teach your children 180 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 03:36
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Re: Teach your children 169 Susan Doris 28-Jun-19 13:06
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Re: scientistic jargon misses nuances 171 Susan Doris 30-Jun-19 14:02
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"self" between the eyes 178 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:53
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the kingdom of God is within you 179 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 20:36
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Re: the kingdom of God is within you 163 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 07:10
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 176 Eddie Larry 25-Jun-19 20:42
Me 174 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 03:08
Re: Welcome to Darryl Sloan our author of the month for June 2019 175 Susan Doris 26-Jun-19 05:31
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Cosmic consciousness-theism! 180 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 07:50
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No time! ? ? 168 greengirl5 30-Jun-19 23:49
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It's not in the text 192 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:25
Re: It's not in the text 190 Susan Doris 27-Jun-19 07:41
How Suart saves his family 179 drrayeye 27-Jun-19 08:17
Re: How Suart saves his family 196 Susan Doris 27-Jun-19 11:07
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Let's try a different approach 182 drrayeye 28-Jun-19 15:42
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You are a good guy! 191 greengirl5 28-Jun-19 23:51
Farewell, everyone! 196 Darryl Sloan 30-Jun-19 20:22
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