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QUOTE Susan:Yes, but I realise how important it is not to insert any kind of imaginative idea where the answers are not yet available, and in many cases, never will be.
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That is a "wonderful" advice to all scientists! Never use your imagination, until after you have found an answer.
LOL!

That is it in a nut shell. That is exactly the situation with the mainstream science of today. They stick to what they already know, and that is it. No imagination!


GG.





Susan Doris Wrote:
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I don't know whether to feel flattered or
> offended (kidding).
> :) No matter - it is the pleasure of discussion
> which makes life interesting.
>
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It's a curious characterisation of my
> stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where
> we appear to differ is on the matter of
> naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all
> of reality is explainable naturalistically.
>
> Yes, but I realise how important it is not to
> insert any kind of imaginative idea where the
> answers are not yet available, and in many cases,
> never will be.
>
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Where I differ from this is that I'm fully
> willing to face the fact that we encounter parts
> of reality which utterly defy naturalistic
> explanation, and I don't think you're fully
> appreciating that.
> I can assure you I do!
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One place is the low-entropy beginning of
> the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's
> no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very
> real, deep mystery.
> I think I'll just quibble slightly with the phrase
> 'deep mystery'. Yes we humans have a myriad ways
> to categorise things, but the phrase you use
> carries implications of 'impossible ever to
> know'. You are almost certainly right in this, and
> there are only a few billion years left for any
> life to exist on this planet, and for the solar
> system to exist, so at the end of all that, those
> mysteries will rmain!
>
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It's interesting to me that atheists will
> consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the
> low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider
> some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality
> as a potential explanation. There's no tangible
> proof for either position. But one is massively
> favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured
> one is naturalistic and the taboo one is
> metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone
> of contention here.
> And I'd say for obvious, very clear reasons!! I've
> been a member of the JREF (now IS) form as long as
> I've been a member here. I've learnt so much in
> this last part of my life.
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And really, my original essay AoM was all
> about this very issue.
> And I for one have very much appreciated the way
> you have participated so interestingly. There are
> times when an AoM can be very precious about
> attempting to defend his/her way-out beliefs!
>
> Susan



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Parapsychology and wonderment 33786 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 169 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 158 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 154 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 154 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 153 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 128 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
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Re: Meaningful dreams 128 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 148 Poster Boy 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 145 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 142 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 143 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 187 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 164 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 139 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 159 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 140 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 142 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 144 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 142 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 135 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 134 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 131 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 140 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 150 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 153 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 128 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 135 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 124 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 121 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 136 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 125 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 123 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 129 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 129 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 134 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 123 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 147 Poster Boy 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 136 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 139 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 140 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 139 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 132 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 151 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 134 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 125 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 131 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 134 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 128 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 134 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 146 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 126 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 130 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
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Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 133 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 126 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 123 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 133 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 146 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 136 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 137 Poster Boy 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 134 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 135 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 159 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 141 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 152 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 145 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 136 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 726 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 140 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 145 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 136 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 146 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 132 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 151 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 153 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 151 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 146 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 147 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 134 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 146 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 146 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 138 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 138 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 138 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 131 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 145 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 150 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 135 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 135 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 141 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 123 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 130 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 159 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 160 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 152 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 128 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 151 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 123 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 128 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 129 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 127 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 126 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 125 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 123 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 119 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 122 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 123 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 111 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 126 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 114 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 129 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 123 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 123 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 116 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 122 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 127 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 115 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 118 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 103 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 344 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 116 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 115 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 116 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 121 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 112 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 127 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 112 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 127 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 123 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 114 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 110 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 116 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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