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I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).
:) No matter - it is the pleasure of discussion which makes life interesting.

It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically.
Yes, but I realise how important it is not to insert any kind of imaginative idea where the answers are not yet available, and in many cases, never will be.

Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that.
I can assure you I do!

One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.
I think I'll just quibble slightly with the phrase 'deep mystery'. Yes we humans have a myriad ways to categorise things, but the phrase you use carries implications of 'impossible ever to know'. You are almost certainly right in this, and there are only a few billion years left for any life to exist on this planet, and for the solar system to exist, so at the end of all that, those mysteries will rmain!

It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.
And I'd say for obvious, very clear reasons!! I've been a member of the JREF (now IS) form as long as I've been a member here. I've learnt so much in this last part of my life.

And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.
And I for one have very much appreciated the way you have participated so interestingly. There are times when an AoM can be very precious about attempting to defend his/her way-out beliefs!


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Parapsychology and wonderment 34589 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 283 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 264 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 261 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 261 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 250 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 232 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 257 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 239 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 250 Poster Boy 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 254 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 240 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 253 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 321 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 277 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 238 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 275 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 247 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 244 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 241 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 253 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 239 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 253 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 231 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 240 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 256 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 270 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 232 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 232 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 227 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 219 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 242 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 229 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 218 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 230 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 238 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 241 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 233 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 246 Poster Boy 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 243 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 260 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 246 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 266 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 247 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 267 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 249 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 224 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 236 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 242 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 229 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 245 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 242 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 226 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 230 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 222 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 231 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 235 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 225 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 235 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 252 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 231 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 237 Poster Boy 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 240 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 236 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 263 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 235 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 264 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 244 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 242 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 829 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 249 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 252 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 238 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 253 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 241 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 269 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 296 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 265 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 249 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 251 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 242 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 245 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 253 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 257 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 241 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 252 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 235 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 249 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 257 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 238 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 239 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 246 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 219 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 237 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 264 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 263 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 253 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 226 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 261 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 219 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 232 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 241 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 242 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 228 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 226 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 226 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 214 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 222 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 228 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 212 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 226 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 208 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 225 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 231 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 220 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 214 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 211 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 223 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 214 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 225 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 200 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 487 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 211 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 214 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 207 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 226 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 211 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 228 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
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Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 226 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 207 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 213 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 208 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37

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