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I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).
:) No matter - it is the pleasure of discussion which makes life interesting.
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It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically.
Yes, but I realise how important it is not to insert any kind of imaginative idea where the answers are not yet available, and in many cases, never will be.
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Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that.
I can assure you I do!
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One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.
I think I'll just quibble slightly with the phrase 'deep mystery'. Yes we humans have a myriad ways to categorise things, but the phrase you use carries implications of 'impossible ever to know'. You are almost certainly right in this, and there are only a few billion years left for any life to exist on this planet, and for the solar system to exist, so at the end of all that, those mysteries will rmain!
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It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.
And I'd say for obvious, very clear reasons!! I've been a member of the JREF (now IS) form as long as I've been a member here. I've learnt so much in this last part of my life.
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And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.
And I for one have very much appreciated the way you have participated so interestingly. There are times when an AoM can be very precious about attempting to defend his/her way-out beliefs!

Susan

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Parapsychology and wonderment 35097 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 472 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 459 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 437 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 442 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 431 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 413 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 427 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 427 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 435 PB Bytes 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 439 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 427 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 437 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 516 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 467 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 421 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 468 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 434 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 428 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 417 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 445 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 428 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 432 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 413 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 423 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 442 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 461 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 418 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 411 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 404 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 401 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 428 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 415 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 394 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 417 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 430 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 428 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 403 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 433 PB Bytes 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 425 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 442 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 423 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 449 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 426 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 456 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 433 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 401 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 419 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 425 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 406 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 430 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 420 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 407 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 418 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 399 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 415 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 426 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 404 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 428 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 433 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 415 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 424 PB Bytes 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 423 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 423 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 446 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 411 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 440 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 430 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 424 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 1019 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 431 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 447 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 429 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 443 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 429 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 455 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 487 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 449 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 431 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 438 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 429 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 429 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 437 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 455 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 431 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 436 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 421 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 417 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 444 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 423 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 428 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 428 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 397 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 411 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 445 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 445 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 433 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 410 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 439 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 399 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 421 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 424 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 422 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 414 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 421 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 414 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 401 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 402 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 401 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 395 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 406 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 398 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 413 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 413 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 405 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 398 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 386 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 409 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 392 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 415 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 377 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 763 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 394 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 407 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 384 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 406 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 400 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 401 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 380 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 405 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 401 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 387 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 386 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 378 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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