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I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).
:) No matter - it is the pleasure of discussion which makes life interesting.
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It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically.
Yes, but I realise how important it is not to insert any kind of imaginative idea where the answers are not yet available, and in many cases, never will be.
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Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that.
I can assure you I do!
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One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.
I think I'll just quibble slightly with the phrase 'deep mystery'. Yes we humans have a myriad ways to categorise things, but the phrase you use carries implications of 'impossible ever to know'. You are almost certainly right in this, and there are only a few billion years left for any life to exist on this planet, and for the solar system to exist, so at the end of all that, those mysteries will rmain!
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It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.
And I'd say for obvious, very clear reasons!! I've been a member of the JREF (now IS) form as long as I've been a member here. I've learnt so much in this last part of my life.
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And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.
And I for one have very much appreciated the way you have participated so interestingly. There are times when an AoM can be very precious about attempting to defend his/her way-out beliefs!

Susan

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Parapsychology and wonderment 33777 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 169 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 158 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 154 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 154 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 153 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 128 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 156 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 128 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 148 Poster Boy 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 145 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 141 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 143 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 186 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 164 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 139 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 159 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 139 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 142 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 144 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 142 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 135 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 134 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 130 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 140 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 150 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 153 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 128 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 135 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 124 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 121 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 136 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 124 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 123 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 129 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 128 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 134 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 123 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 147 Poster Boy 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 136 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 139 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 140 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 138 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 132 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 151 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 134 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 125 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 131 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 133 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 128 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 133 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 146 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 126 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 130 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 126 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 133 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 126 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 123 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 132 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 146 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 136 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 137 Poster Boy 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 134 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 134 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 159 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 141 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 151 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 145 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 136 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 726 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 140 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 145 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 135 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 146 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 132 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 151 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 153 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 151 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 146 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 147 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 134 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 145 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 146 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 138 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 138 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 137 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 130 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 145 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 150 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 135 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 134 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 140 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 123 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 130 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 159 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 160 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 152 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 128 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 151 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 123 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 127 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 129 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 127 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 126 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 124 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 122 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 119 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 122 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 121 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 111 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 126 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 114 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 128 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 123 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 123 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 116 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 122 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 127 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 114 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 118 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 103 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 341 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 115 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 115 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 116 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 121 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 111 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 127 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 112 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 127 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 123 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 113 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 110 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 116 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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