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I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).
:) No matter - it is the pleasure of discussion which makes life interesting.
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It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically.
Yes, but I realise how important it is not to insert any kind of imaginative idea where the answers are not yet available, and in many cases, never will be.
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Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that.
I can assure you I do!
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One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.
I think I'll just quibble slightly with the phrase 'deep mystery'. Yes we humans have a myriad ways to categorise things, but the phrase you use carries implications of 'impossible ever to know'. You are almost certainly right in this, and there are only a few billion years left for any life to exist on this planet, and for the solar system to exist, so at the end of all that, those mysteries will rmain!
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It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.
And I'd say for obvious, very clear reasons!! I've been a member of the JREF (now IS) form as long as I've been a member here. I've learnt so much in this last part of my life.
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And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.
And I for one have very much appreciated the way you have participated so interestingly. There are times when an AoM can be very precious about attempting to defend his/her way-out beliefs!

Susan

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Parapsychology and wonderment 34449 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 237 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 222 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 217 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 217 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 212 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 191 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 218 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 198 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 210 Poster Boy 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 212 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 202 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 211 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 277 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 235 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 201 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 235 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 201 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 203 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 205 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 207 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 198 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 204 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 189 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 198 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 213 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 227 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 194 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 193 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 187 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 180 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 200 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 188 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 180 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 190 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 193 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 198 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 192 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 207 Poster Boy 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 204 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 212 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 205 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 215 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 203 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 224 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 201 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 187 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 195 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 198 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 188 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 197 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 206 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 187 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 191 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 184 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 194 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 193 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 187 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 194 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 210 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 194 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 201 Poster Boy 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 195 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 195 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 221 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 197 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 218 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 206 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 198 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 791 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 207 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 209 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 195 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 209 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 196 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 225 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 252 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 221 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 210 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 211 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 201 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 204 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 209 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 214 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 201 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 204 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 191 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 206 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 215 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 194 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 199 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 201 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 181 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 193 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 219 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 222 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 215 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 188 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 216 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 182 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 187 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 199 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 198 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 185 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 183 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 186 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 176 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 184 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 187 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 172 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 191 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 172 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 187 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 190 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 182 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 180 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 177 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 184 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 172 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 183 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 159 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 426 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 172 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 175 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 171 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 185 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 168 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 189 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 167 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 192 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 188 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 170 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 173 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 172 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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