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I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).
:) No matter - it is the pleasure of discussion which makes life interesting.
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It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically.
Yes, but I realise how important it is not to insert any kind of imaginative idea where the answers are not yet available, and in many cases, never will be.
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Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that.
I can assure you I do!
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One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.
I think I'll just quibble slightly with the phrase 'deep mystery'. Yes we humans have a myriad ways to categorise things, but the phrase you use carries implications of 'impossible ever to know'. You are almost certainly right in this, and there are only a few billion years left for any life to exist on this planet, and for the solar system to exist, so at the end of all that, those mysteries will rmain!
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It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.
And I'd say for obvious, very clear reasons!! I've been a member of the JREF (now IS) form as long as I've been a member here. I've learnt so much in this last part of my life.
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And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.
And I for one have very much appreciated the way you have participated so interestingly. There are times when an AoM can be very precious about attempting to defend his/her way-out beliefs!

Susan

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Parapsychology and wonderment 34753 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 337 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 320 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 314 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 315 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 306 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 284 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 308 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 296 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 301 PB Bytes 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 306 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 294 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 309 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 381 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 340 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 291 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 329 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 302 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 296 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 295 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 309 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 292 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 305 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 283 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 292 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 313 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 329 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 283 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 283 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 278 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 271 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 301 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 284 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 269 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 280 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 293 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 300 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 287 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 299 PB Bytes 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 297 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 314 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 300 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 320 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 299 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 321 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 304 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 277 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 289 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 293 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 281 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 300 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 295 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 279 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 288 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 275 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 288 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 289 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 276 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 293 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 306 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 286 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 291 PB Bytes 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 294 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 291 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 315 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 285 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 318 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 301 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 299 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 887 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 303 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 306 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 292 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 312 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 301 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 326 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 354 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 326 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 301 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 306 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 297 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 295 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 309 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 309 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 297 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 306 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 288 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 299 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 312 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 289 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 294 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 301 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 271 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 289 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 317 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 316 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 308 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 280 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 312 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 270 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 285 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 291 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 293 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 280 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 282 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 279 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 267 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 273 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 280 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 264 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 280 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 261 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 281 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 283 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 270 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 265 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 262 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 276 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 265 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 279 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 252 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 575 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 261 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 267 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 261 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 277 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 264 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 279 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 253 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 290 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 281 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 257 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 261 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 258 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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