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Susan Doris Wrote:
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> This particular author's
> opinions turned out to be very close to mine,
> except that he wants to leave a gap between
> reality and fantasy wide enough to let in his
> version of what the brain can do, instead of (a)
> inserting God of choice, or (b) using the more
> logical actual gap because all the facts are not
> yet known.

I don't know whether to feel flattered or offended (kidding).

It's a curious characterisation of my stance: "a gap between fantasy and reality." Where we appear to differ is on the matter of naturalism. Your philosophical premise is that all of reality is explainable naturalistically. Where I differ from this is that I'm fully willing to face the fact that we encounter parts of reality which utterly defy naturalistic explanation, and I don't think you're fully appreciating that. One place is the low-entropy beginning of the Universe, the other is consciousness. There's no fantasy here on my part. We are faced with very real, deep mystery.

It's interesting to me that atheists will consider a multiverse as a way of explaining the low-entropy beginning, but they won't consider some kind of intelligence at the heart of reality as a potential explanation. There's no tangible proof for either position. But one is massively favoured, while the other is taboo. The favoured one is naturalistic and the taboo one is metaphysical, and that seems to be the real bone of contention here.

And really, my original essay AoM was all about this very issue.

Darryl

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Parapsychology and wonderment 34722 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 321 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 304 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 298 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 300 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 290 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 267 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 292 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 278 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 286 PB Bytes 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 291 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 278 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 290 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 362 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 323 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 275 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 311 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 285 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 279 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 279 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
And who were the Mayans? 291 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 15:41
Winter solstice 2012 275 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 289 PB Bytes 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 267 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 275 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 295 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 312 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 266 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 268 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 262 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 255 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 283 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 267 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 254 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 263 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 277 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 283 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 270 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 281 PB Bytes 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 280 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 297 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 284 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 304 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 283 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 305 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 287 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 261 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 274 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 277 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 264 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 283 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 279 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 264 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 273 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
Follow me - on Facebook....... 259 greengirl5 17-Jun-19 23:10
Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 268 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 274 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 261 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 275 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 290 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 270 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 274 PB Bytes 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 275 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 275 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 299 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 269 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 301 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 283 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 281 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 869 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 286 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 289 PB Bytes 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 276 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 293 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 284 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 308 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 336 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 308 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 286 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 290 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 281 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 279 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 291 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 293 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 280 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 290 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 271 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 283 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 294 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 272 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 278 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 284 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 255 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 274 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 301 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 299 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 292 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 265 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 296 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 255 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 269 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 274 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 278 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 263 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 265 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 263 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 250 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 258 greengirl5 20-Jun-19 23:32
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 265 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 248 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 264 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 244 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 262 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 266 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 254 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 250 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 245 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 258 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 248 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 263 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 237 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 554 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 246 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 250 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 242 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 260 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
a very creative scientist shares his insights 247 drrayeye 25-Jun-19 11:50
Re: a very creative scientist shares his insights 265 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 14:00
Re: How to make gold 238 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 276 rulebook54 24-Jun-19 22:35
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 263 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 243 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 246 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 244 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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