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Darryl Sloan Wrote:
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> Hi, Poster Boy.
>
> "How can you be sure, if you are sure, that this
> movement was caused by PK as opposed to an
> observing spirit - the Ouija board idea?"
>
> Nothing in the experience of PK warrants that sort
> of explanation. Why would an observing spirit
> require me to have a certain mental state (focused
> inattention)? Why would an observing spirit cause
> physiological sensations in my body, when the
> phenomenon is outside the body?
>
> I would also tend to argue that Ouija is likely
> not spirit-related. It's an unconscious part of
> the personality manifesting through the ideomotor
> effect. The one thing that would debunk this is
> Ouija performed by a blindfolded person. I could
> never personally get Ouija to work, because I
> think I'm not a very suggestible person.
>
> Darryl

Hi Darryl

It sounds like you've made an a prior presumption about what can and cannot happen under these conditions? I'm not saying that this is the explanation, not by a long shot. But I wouldn't rule it out.

"Why would an observing spirit require me to have a certain mental state (focused inattention)?"

The idea in favour of this, or something like this, is that the goal of some spirits involves the subject enabling their will to become taken over... I'm sure that you've read on demonic possession and that sort of thing. Whether it is true or not is one thing, but there's the traditional angle to which I refer.

"Why would an observing spirit cause
> physiological sensations in my body, when the
> phenomenon is outside the body?"

That's a good question, and I suppose your test is different than the ouija board. If you were to ask me about that experiment, following through on your answer here, I would suggest that the internal sense you feel may involve the spirit assuming partial control of your internal system, in order to move your hands about.

Nonetheless, this is really not a digression I care to go into, nor one that I'm sure you want to discuss. Your findings on PK sound very interesting, and as I have said, I don't think that it 'necessarily' involves other spirits. Only that it may. Going the other way, I have been intrigued, in the past, regarding how PK (poltergeist) phenomenon tends to be strongly associated with adolescence, a relatively brief time when our emotions are often over the top. Perhaps this relates to the tapping into a certain or very particular kind of intensity that positively influenced your own results, one that you were able to generate within yourself through disciplined practice?

These streams of thought often lead to unanswerable dichotomies. Take, for example, super high quality premonitions, the kinds that the subject concludes, or knows, cannot be due to random happenstance: is the subject receiving a transmission from an other who knows what's around the corner? ; or is the individual subject's greater awareness cognizant of what's around the corner - a part of each of us that is so foreign to us, at this point, that we are inclined to consider it an other?

Regards, PB

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Parapsychology and wonderment 34524 Darryl Sloan 03-Jun-19 19:34
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 262 greengirl5 03-Jun-19 23:08
u-tube 246 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 03:54
Re: u-tube 241 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 06:17
Re: u-tube 241 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 19:02
Re: u-tube 232 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:58
Re: u-tube 213 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:29
Meaningful dreams 238 Darryl Sloan 04-Jun-19 18:47
Re: Meaningful dreams 220 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 22:46
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 231 Poster Boy 04-Jun-19 22:29
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 234 greengirl5 04-Jun-19 23:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 221 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 01:08
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 233 greengirl5 05-Jun-19 03:15
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 297 Eddie Larry 05-Jun-19 20:51
Who was Jesus? 256 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 11:27
Re: Who was Jesus? 219 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 14:37
Re: Who was Jesus? 255 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:49
Re: Who was Jesus? 226 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 22:21
Re: Who was Jesus? 224 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 23:06
Re: Who was Jesus? And who were the Mayans? 223 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:40
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Winter solstice 2012 218 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 22:40
Re: Winter solstice 2012 233 Poster Boy 07-Jun-19 23:21
Re: Winter solstice 2012 210 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:51
Re: Who was Jesus? 219 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 20:16
Questions 236 drrayeye 08-Jun-19 20:47
Re: Questions 247 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:02
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 212 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 00:03
Re: Questions and maybe some answers? 213 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:28
Good and evil 208 greengirl5 14-Jun-19 22:59
Re: Good and evil 201 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:19
Re: Questions 223 drrayeye 11-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Questions 210 Darryl Sloan 14-Jun-19 09:13
Scientists and Dualism 199 drrayeye 14-Jun-19 16:30
Re: Scientists and Dualism 212 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 12:03
Re: Scientists and Dualism 218 drrayeye 17-Jun-19 16:10
Re: Scientists and Dualism 221 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:25
Consciousness and the perceptual environment 214 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:10
Re: Who was Jesus? 226 Poster Boy 08-Jun-19 21:11
Re: Who was Jesus? 225 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:20
A scholarly alternative 238 drrayeye 07-Jun-19 06:46
Re: A scholarly alternative 227 Darryl Sloan 10-Jun-19 19:09
Re: A scholarly alternative 245 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:19
Re: A scholarly alternative 228 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 22:11
Re: A scholarly alternative 246 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 22:21
Re: A scholarly alternative 230 SandyJesse 15-Jun-19 05:14
Re: A scholarly alternative 205 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:23
Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 216 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 22:32
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 224 SandyJesse 18-Jun-19 02:56
Re: Tiberius Julius Cotys Philocaesar Eusebes 209 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 03:03
Re: A scholarly alternative 223 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:58
Re: A scholarly alternative 224 Eddie Larry 13-Jun-19 14:04
Re: A scholarly alternative 208 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:28
Re: A scholarly alternative 212 Eddie Larry 17-Jun-19 13:08
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Re: Follow me - on Facebook....... 211 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 01:42
After the resurrection...... 217 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 06:02
Re: After the resurrection...... 206 Eddie Larry 18-Jun-19 13:32
Well said 216 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 04:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 232 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 213 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 14:48
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 218 Poster Boy 05-Jun-19 15:37
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 219 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:55
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 218 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:38
au contraire 243 drrayeye 04-Jun-19 23:15
Re: au contraire 217 Darryl Sloan 05-Jun-19 15:05
Re: au contraire 245 drrayeye 05-Jun-19 19:56
Re: au contraire 224 Darryl Sloan 06-Jun-19 10:08
Re: au contraire 221 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 13:48
Re: au contraire 810 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 15:31
Re: au contraire 229 drrayeye 06-Jun-19 16:11
Re: au contraire 232 Poster Boy 06-Jun-19 16:16
Consciousness 216 greengirl5 06-Jun-19 23:27
Our brains 228 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 00:56
Re: Consciousness 222 Darryl Sloan 13-Jun-19 11:50
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 250 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 06:03
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 277 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 07:47
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 246 Susan Doris 07-Jun-19 07:53
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 231 greengirl5 07-Jun-19 23:59
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 233 Darryl Sloan 08-Jun-19 19:22
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 223 greengirl5 08-Jun-19 22:44
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 225 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 05:23
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 235 SandyJesse 09-Jun-19 06:24
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 237 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 07:19
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 221 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 09:12
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 233 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 10:03
There it is again 213 greengirl5 09-Jun-19 12:07
Re: There it is again 230 Susan Doris 09-Jun-19 14:49
You know? 237 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 00:36
Re: You know? 217 Susan Doris 10-Jun-19 10:49
Re: You know? 220 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 13:47
Re: You know? 226 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 00:09
Re: You know? 200 Eddie Larry 11-Jun-19 21:43
Re: You know? 217 greengirl5 11-Jun-19 21:58
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 244 SandyJesse 10-Jun-19 06:38
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 243 greengirl5 10-Jun-19 09:48
How to make gold 234 greengirl5 15-Jun-19 07:47
Re: How to make gold 208 Darryl Sloan 17-Jun-19 11:07
Re: How to make gold 242 Susan Doris 17-Jun-19 17:31
Re: How to make gold 200 Darryl Sloan 18-Jun-19 08:15
Re: How to make gold 212 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 09:41
Re: How to make gold 221 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 13:10
Re: How to make gold 223 Susan Doris 18-Jun-19 13:37
Re: How to make gold 209 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 208 drrayeye 18-Jun-19 18:09
Re: How to make gold 207 greengirl5 18-Jun-19 23:14
Re: How to make gold 197 Darryl Sloan 20-Jun-19 11:44
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Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 212 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 09:43
Re: The "para" is not going away, it is getting stronger. 194 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:18
Re: How to make gold 208 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 06:18
Re: How to make gold 190 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 12:14
Re: How to make gold 208 Susan Doris 21-Jun-19 14:42
Re: How to make gold 214 greengirl5 21-Jun-19 23:30
Re: How to make gold 201 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 05:14
Re: How to make gold 198 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 06:26
Re: How to make gold 194 Susan Doris 22-Jun-19 07:04
Re: How to make gold 207 greengirl5 22-Jun-19 23:49
Re: How to make gold 194 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:25
defying naturalistic explanations 206 drrayeye 24-Jun-19 23:32
Re: defying naturalistic explanations 182 Darryl Sloan 26-Jun-19 21:09
Science vs. speculation 464 drrayeye 26-Jun-19 21:57
Re: How to make gold 193 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 05:57
Great advice to scientists! 197 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:24
Re: Great advice to scientists! 189 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 10:07
Re: Great advice to scientists! 206 greengirl5 26-Jun-19 00:25
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Re: How to make gold 183 Darryl Sloan 24-Jun-19 18:09
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Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 208 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 00:31
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 188 Susan Doris 25-Jun-19 06:05
Re: Parapsychology and wonderment 194 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 07:11
Big consciousness, little consciousness. 190 greengirl5 25-Jun-19 02:37


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