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You will have gathered that I am not a person who rather weakly says , ‘Oh, well, I suppose you might be right.’ That is why I respond strongly to the rather woolly, let-us-connect-with-the-spirits-etc thinking in your article.
I hope you will find time to respond briefly to the direct points I have made here.
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The work of the shamanic healer is to work to support harmony within a client.
Do you think that it would be fair and correct , then, to call a shaman an unqualified counsellor? The best title for counsellors in recent times seems to be someone who does Talk therapy, which seems to be effective if enough time and money are spent on it.
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From that place of harmony, their bodies and minds are more able to heal. Even though the practice is done in a spiritual context, I would certainly say that the mind/body connection is involved.
It sounds as if you think that, in order for a person to benefit from talk therapy, it is necessary to imply that a mystical-type atmosphere is required. If the person needing help believes that some undefined ‘spiritual context’ is involved, then their personal incredulity will get in the way of healing. There may well be a temporary benefit, but how can a delusion be better than verifiable info?
[[quote]The tools employed by a shamanic healer are, extraction/depossession which is the removal of energies [/quote]
Both the 'shaman' and the other person may well believe they are extracting energy, but since there is no valid method of doing such a thing and since there is no method of identifying, measuring, let alone detecting, such things, on what basis do they, you, believe this?
It may well be true for you and, temporarily, for those who come to you, but an objective truth? Definitely no.
You need a large amount of personal incredulity, I’d say!
Don't you think it would be much more beneficial for the person needing help to understand that there is no other agency involved, and certainly not any mystical one, but that they themselves have all the requirements necessary to move towards better health.
To restore real self-esteem which comes from their own understanding of themselves is surely what one should focus on.
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that interfere with the mind/body, soul retrieval which is bringing back essential energies to support feeling whole and empowered, supporting the healing of trauma through learning how to journey to receive guidance from their own spiritual teachers, and also supporting connections to self and nature.
That is a very mixed bag of claims! You cannot *bring back* whatever *essential energies* are - unless of course you can identify and define them in the first place; and then a method for moving them anywhere. Guidance of any sort can only be via human words plus body language. If any person believes he or she is receiving something from some mystical spirit/something, then that person is underestimating the properties and abilities of his or her own mind and thus being deflected from a lasting understanding.
To understand our place in the natural order of things can only be good, but not if we imbue it with mystical aspects. You will probably be thinking that I don’t understand you! Actually, I do understand all too well, after a lifetime of reading, travel, learning etc – and using my reasonably competent, evolved brain!
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I've been fortunate to have worked with thousands of people over the years, fifteen of which were in a holistic medical center where we worked along side physicians, psychologists, a psychiatrist, nurses and other complementary practitioners.
Then why do you need to add some non-existent spirits or whatever to objective medical evidence?
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People come to my practice through referrals from other health professionals (physicians, osteopaths, chiropractors, psychotherapists, psychiatrists) as well as from our clients.
It would appear, then, that they too have a vested interest in promoting entirely subjective beliefs and methods?

Some years ago, in the 1980s if I remember correctly,. A British MP (and I am ashamed to say he was a Conservative!) pushed for homeopathy to be funded by the NHS. This was done, much to the dismay of those who not only thought it was a fraudulent way of spending NHS money, but also, by swallowing a whole bottle of supposed sleeping pils, demonstrating that ( they were entirely ineffective and (b) that any apparent effect was entirely placebo. Said MP died some years ago and, fortunately, more recently the NHS stopped spending money in this way and closed down (or sold, I don’t know which_ associated clinics.

Nothing wrong with a placebo effect, you might say, and, okay, it might work as a temporary measure, but in the end there must be no untruths told to a person given them.
I myself have sought help from counsellors three times in my life. Each time, I have found that I had already thought of and worked out the answers to anythoughts, questions or ideas they had, so I think I am lucky to have been born with a set of genes which has enabled me to cope with, and most decidedly , learn from, the problems that I have had to face.

And finally, it is modern medicine and its progress and improvement during my 82 years that hmeans I am still alive today.

susan

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Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 220 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 20:39
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And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 218 Itatw70s 22-Jan-19 02:04
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