Technology works well with Newton, but a lot does not add up any more. Sorry not to be more specific right now, it has been a hot day, and now I should have some dinner.
Susan Doris Wrote:
> I always find your posts interesting, and clearly
> and firmly expressed, but I do as always challenge
> your interpretation of your experience, although
> never that you experienced it
> I do not agree that the world is 'mired' in 17th
> century perceptions or understanding of reality.
> Our knowledge base has vastly increased since then
> and, with the objectivity of the scientific
> method, is far more firmly based, otherwise, for
> example, the technology we have would not work.
> At no time since the 17th century, however, has
> any objective evidence been found for any
> supernatural anything"!
> Any self-understanding which involves a belief
> that entirely subjective ideas are objective is a
> diversion, a detour, or a dead end pursuit and
> should only be made with the clear knowledge that
> it is indistinguishable from, well, guessing.
> Boy Wrote:
> > Hi Susan
> > I think what people move towards when it comes
> > "shamanism," is a deeper understanding of
> > reality's plasticity.
> > The Western world is mired in a 17th-century
> > conception of reality, based on Cartesian and
> > Newtonian thinking, that this reality is all
> > is, with its laws and the absolute reality of
> > things, around which these laws are based.
> > That's all well and good, yet in the last few
> > centuries we have also learned that this
> > is 99.9999999 percent empty space. our
> > of the subatomic realm demonstrated,
> > that Cartesian-Newtonian paradigms are NOT
> > absolute. Then in the early 20th century, a
> > prize was awarded based on the finding that we
> > in fact, affect reality through our perception.
> > I have found, based on direct experience, that
> > this reality is an extension of Mind, and this
> > what I was getting at when I replied to the
> > busy Evelyn regarding Eastern doctrines and what
> > called the 'Void." To shamanism then, do these
> > spirits have an objective reality of their own,
> > which case they are an extension Mind? Or, are
> > they an extension of 'mind'?
> > I believe the former interpretation, and that
> > only way you can connect with these spirits is
> > getting down to a level where
> > 17th-century paradigms are seen to
> > non-absolute, and part of a much more
> > reality. In other words Susan, one's
> > consciousness plays a defining role.
> > I suspect that shamen are connecting with real
> > beings in realms that seem "imaginary" from the
> > 17th-century point of view, where things are
> > to exclusively define what is real. If this
> > and others are projections of Mind, then they
> > equally imaginary in one sense. And since, as
> > modern science affirms, this realm is
> > virtually empty space AND that perception
> > influences outcomes on at least one level.....
> > see plenty of room for authentic interaction
> > beings in other realms.
> > Now, of course you believe none of this. And
> > may be assured that I and others will give you
> > very hard time when we're all on the other
> > I'm teasing of course. In the meanwhile, keep
> > the dancing!