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You should try to look into quantum physics, and you will find out that science has indeed changed a bit since, well since Newton. Consciousness must be taken into account now, for instance, and that is a huge change.
Technology works well with Newton, but a lot does not add up any more. Sorry not to be more specific right now, it has been a hot day, and now I should have some dinner.

GG.




Susan Doris Wrote:
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> I always find your posts interesting, and clearly
> and firmly expressed, but I do as always challenge
> your interpretation of your experience, although
> never that you experienced it
>
> I do not agree that the world is 'mired' in 17th
> century perceptions or understanding of reality.
> Our knowledge base has vastly increased since then
> and, with the objectivity of the scientific
> method, is far more firmly based, otherwise, for
> example, the technology we have would not work.
> At no time since the 17th century, however, has
> any objective evidence been found for any
> supernatural anything"!
> Any self-understanding which involves a belief
> that entirely subjective ideas are objective is a
> diversion, a detour, or a dead end pursuit and
> should only be made with the clear knowledge that
> it is indistinguishable from, well, guessing.
>
> Susan
>
>
> Boy Wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hi Susan
> >
> > I think what people move towards when it comes
> to
> > "shamanism," is a deeper understanding of
> > reality's plasticity.
> >
> > The Western world is mired in a 17th-century
> > conception of reality, based on Cartesian and
> > Newtonian thinking, that this reality is all
> there
> > is, with its laws and the absolute reality of
> > things, around which these laws are based.
> >
> > That's all well and good, yet in the last few
> > centuries we have also learned that this
> "reality"
> > is 99.9999999 percent empty space. our
> discovery
> > of the subatomic realm demonstrated,
> absolutely,
> > that Cartesian-Newtonian paradigms are NOT
> > absolute. Then in the early 20th century, a
> Nobel
> > prize was awarded based on the finding that we
> do,
> > in fact, affect reality through our perception.
>
> >
> > I have found, based on direct experience, that
> > this reality is an extension of Mind, and this
> is
> > what I was getting at when I replied to the
> very
> > busy Evelyn regarding Eastern doctrines and what
> I
> > called the 'Void." To shamanism then, do these
> > spirits have an objective reality of their own,
> in
> > which case they are an extension Mind? Or, are
> > they an extension of 'mind'?
> >
> > I believe the former interpretation, and that
> the
> > only way you can connect with these spirits is
> by
> > getting down to a level where
> > 17th-century paradigms are seen to
> be
> > non-absolute, and part of a much more
> diversified
> > reality. In other words Susan, one's
> > consciousness plays a defining role.
> >
> > I suspect that shamen are connecting with real
> > beings in realms that seem "imaginary" from the
> > 17th-century point of view, where things are
> seen
> > to exclusively define what is real. If this
> realm
> > and others are projections of Mind, then they
> are
> > equally imaginary in one sense. And since, as
> > modern science affirms, this realm is
> > virtually empty space AND that perception
> > influences outcomes on at least one level.....
> I
> > see plenty of room for authentic interaction
> with
> > beings in other realms.
> >
> > Now, of course you believe none of this. And
> you
> > may be assured that I and others will give you
> a
> > very hard time when we're all on the other
> side!
> >
> > I'm teasing of course. In the meanwhile, keep
> up
> > the dancing!

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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 3172 Susan Doris 08-Jan-19 16:21
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 363 EvelynRysdyk 10-Jan-19 17:27
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 296 Susan Doris 10-Jan-19 19:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 295 cloister 10-Jan-19 20:11
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 275 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 14:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 286 cloister 11-Jan-19 16:09
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 265 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 19:35
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 282 cloister 11-Jan-19 19:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 291 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 00:40
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 309 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 08:59
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 281 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:02
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 274 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:27
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 293 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 20:33
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 251 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:06
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 282 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 23:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 266 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 06:15
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 262 greengirl5 12-Jan-19 12:24
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 268 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:07
Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 262 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 20:39
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 261 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:48
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 245 Itatw70s 21-Jan-19 02:17
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 240 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 06:26
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 277 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 278 EvelynRysdyk 12-Jan-19 17:04
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 320 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 18:36
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 262 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 15:01
Red Herrings 266 drrayeye 17-Jan-19 19:05
Re: Red Herrings 270 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 23:47
Re: Red Herrings 265 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 09:00
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 265 Susan Doris 19-Jan-19 12:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 257 EvelynRysdyk 19-Jan-19 17:23
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 250 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:27
Spirit 248 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:57
Re: Spirit 254 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 07:11
Re: Spirit 241 greengirl5 21-Jan-19 11:31
Re: Spirit 246 Eddie Larry 21-Jan-19 16:32
Re: Spirit 239 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 17:08
Re: Spirit 244 greengirl5 21-Jan-19 20:37
Re: Spirit 243 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:24
Re: Spirit 244 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 07:23
Re: Spirit 235 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 07:41
Re: Spirit 236 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 07:57
Re: Spirit 244 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 08:19
Re: Spirit 238 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 09:47
Re: Spirit 247 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 12:40
Re: Spirit 242 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 21:04
Re: Spirit 237 Susan Doris 23-Jan-19 10:25
Re: Spirit 468 greengirl5 23-Jan-19 12:10
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 260 Poster Boy 19-Jan-19 18:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 245 EvelynRysdyk 20-Jan-19 00:10
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 249 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 00:39
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 247 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:28
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 243 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 246 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 09:31
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 247 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 248 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 254 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 17:02
And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 258 Itatw70s 22-Jan-19 02:04
Re: And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 248 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:08


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