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I doubt any spiritual method would pass such a test for that is not its purpose.
Do you know of any spiritual method? I don't think so - because the word 'spiritual' has, as I mentioned before I think, as many definitions as there are people using the word.
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Shamanism is a way to understand one's self and the wider world in a spiritual context
I would be interested to hear you elaborate on this idea of a spiritual context. I understand myself well, and that is because of the life and experiences I have had. Anything involving the supernatural or magic rituals, or encouraging people to think they are in some other dimension or something through a trance, etc is a barrier to knowledge.
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that allows the practitioner to interact (I believe that you would say perceive to interact) with non-human species, and the environment.
Are you including any non-observable - and therefore undetectable in any way - supernatural ideas here?
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...This is possible as everything is thought of as alive and sentient. It is a method that has served humankind for tens of thousands of years as a way to care for themselves AND the world around them in a much more holistic manner than our current paradigm.
I think that is a rather too sentimental, rose-tinted-specs view, but Yes, I see what you mean. I am at present reading a book called 'Seven Elements which changed the World' by John brown (ex top BP Exec and engineer). He talks about the dangers of the carbon footprint and offers some practical ways forward.
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For me, and many others, that is enough to give it value.
It may well give people personal enjoyment and satisfaction, but I think it is totally impractical in reality!

Can you give one example of where a shaman or shamanism has done something which has actually moved life, or the world, or the environment forward, i.e. because of the shamanism?

Susan

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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 160 Susan Doris 10-Jan-19 19:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 156 cloister 10-Jan-19 20:11
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 145 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 14:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 140 cloister 11-Jan-19 16:09
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 137 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 19:35
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 138 cloister 11-Jan-19 19:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 163 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 00:40
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 154 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 08:59
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 149 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:02
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 145 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:27
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 119 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:06
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 146 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 23:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 134 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 06:15
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 131 greengirl5 12-Jan-19 12:24
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 137 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:07
Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 130 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 20:39
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 123 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:48
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 118 Itatw70s 21-Jan-19 02:17
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 111 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 06:26
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 140 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 148 EvelynRysdyk 12-Jan-19 17:04
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 174 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 18:36
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 124 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 15:01
Red Herrings 134 drrayeye 17-Jan-19 19:05
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Re: Red Herrings 128 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 09:00
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 123 Susan Doris 19-Jan-19 12:42
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 121 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:27
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 128 Poster Boy 19-Jan-19 18:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 118 EvelynRysdyk 20-Jan-19 00:10
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 123 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 00:39
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 122 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:28
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 118 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 119 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 09:31
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 122 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 120 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 126 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 17:02
And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 130 Itatw70s 22-Jan-19 02:04
Re: And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 123 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:08


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