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This is a bit long, but you did ask!!!
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Have you had any Shamanic experiences yourself, Susan?
That question contains so many assumptions:
- That I know what the word shaman implies, which I most certainly do
- That if I thought I had indeed had a shamanic experience, then I would have agreed to observe, or take part in, such an experience, and why on earth would I do that?
- That said shaman has some mystic contacts
- Etc etc

The whole idea does not stand up to any scrutiny. The only way people can have a so-called shamanic experience is if they use their own imaginations to do so. These nay be suggested by the shaman, but no shaman can force his or her thoughts into another’s mind, either by silence or word.

To have a shamanic experience, one must presumably be in the presence of a person who considers him/herself and/or is considered by others to be well, whatever a shaman is. A definition of such a person would perhaps be, from a logical, practical point of view, someone who has been trained by others, or who has observed others who call themselves shamans, been encouraged by others to think he or she has some special gift … need I go on?
How would you define a shaman, let alone a shamanic experience?Or, put another way, who would, do you think, be more likely to be right, a shaman or someone trained in medicine and who has a far better understanding of the mind than most of us?
How would you know you had had a a shamanic experience if you had not known what such a thing is beforehand?
All you would have learnt about the word and its meanings is from what other people have said they experienced.

Okay, there are experiences which people have had for which there may not be complete objective evidence, but there are none which require any actual mystical beings. How could there be, since until objective evidence becomes available, they are all imagined by the human mind/brain. .
Whether I have or not had what you call a shamanic experience is not in fact relevant. It is the interpretation of an experience by the people concerned that classifies whether, on an entirely unscientific basis, it is shamanic, or out-of-body, or whatever other label is applied.

I have never questioned that people have had the experiences they describe – why should I, as I too have had experiences all my life, some of which I could not explain at the time, but could, with reading, knowledge and learning, explain later.

What I strongly challenge is anyone saying that they have had a shamanic experience or any other experience involving zero-evidenced contacts with spirits etc etc which have given them information or whatever, or that they have been to other dimensions etc. Instead of delighting in the infinity of ideas that our human minds (brains) are easily capable of imagining an infinite number of any such ideas, they think that their interpretation, obtained, please remember entirely from the trillions of bits of information that person’s brain already contains, trumps reality/.

In three weeks time, I’ll be 83. I don’t know how many years I have left, but in that time, I shall do all I can to point out the fallacies inherent in any supernatural belief, and point out the benefits of knowing whether one is reading fact or fiction! Of course, enjoy the narrative, the story, the knowledge and use of words and language, and give full credit to the minds and imaginations of all the billions of people who have had the ideas since the human species evolved with the language to pass on their thoughts and ideas.

And just to finish with: What truths do you think a person who has had a shamanic experience has gained which could not be gained by any other means?

Susan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11-Jan-19 14:58 by Susan Doris.

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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 3069 Susan Doris 08-Jan-19 16:21
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 256 Susan Doris 10-Jan-19 19:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 253 cloister 10-Jan-19 20:11
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 234 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 14:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 243 cloister 11-Jan-19 16:09
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 225 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 19:35
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 233 cloister 11-Jan-19 19:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 254 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 00:40
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 266 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 08:59
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 243 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:02
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 235 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:27
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 249 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 20:33
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 212 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:06
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 242 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 23:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 227 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 06:15
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 223 greengirl5 12-Jan-19 12:24
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 231 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:07
Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 223 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 20:39
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 219 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:48
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 205 Itatw70s 21-Jan-19 02:17
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 199 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 06:26
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 232 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:19
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 282 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 18:36
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 218 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 15:01
Red Herrings 227 drrayeye 17-Jan-19 19:05
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Re: Red Herrings 228 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 09:00
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 221 Susan Doris 19-Jan-19 12:42
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 211 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:27
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 220 Poster Boy 19-Jan-19 18:16
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 211 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 00:39
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 207 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:28
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Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 207 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 09:31
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 208 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 207 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 211 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 17:02
And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 219 Itatw70s 22-Jan-19 02:04
Re: And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 212 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:08


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