Author of the Month :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
Join us at this forum every month for a discussion with famous popular authors from around the world. 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Quote

Thank you for your questions, Susan!
Thank you for responding. I find that, having to listen rather than read visually, your use of so many words detracts from clear understanding, so I will just break it down a bit, in order to have a clearer understanding of what you are saying.
Quote

Since consciousness is now thought of as a primary feature of physics,
By whom? Do you have a clear definition of this, or a link to information about work on this which is being done following the scientific method? Also which is written in clear, straightforward language.
Quote

I would suggest that expansion of consciousness
Please define ‘expansion of consciousness’. If you mean our brains are capable of adding an infinite amount of information to its trillions of bits already acquired, via the senses, please say.
Quote

…beyond the ordinary
Unless you can specify and define the ‘ordinary’, how would you know that anyone had gone ‘beyond’ this?
Quote

—through shamanic journeying/trance
What does this mean in actual physical terms? As far as I am aware, all apparent trances are products of the person’s imagination combined with an ability to act! The person may believe that he or she is undergoing some non-natural experience, but all experiences are experienced within the brain and nervous system and, until proof is forthcoming, not placed there by some imagined spirit/etc. (Somewhat clumsily phrased, but clear, I think.)
Quote

—does influence our psycho-spiritual evolution
Where has it been shown, let alone established, that there is such a thing as a ‘psycho-spiritual evolution’? What method is used to show that there is evolution in such an ill-defined concept??
People define ‘spiritual’ in as many different ways as there are people. Personally, I do all I can to use the word as it refers to the aesthetic side of human nature and, since every single person has this to a smaller or lesser degree, it is obviously a survival trait.
Quote

If
Ah, such a useful word to cover a multitude of assertions, propositions and ideas which might follow!
Quote

then, our thoughts, feelings, beliefs and experiences are integral aspects of the epigenetic field
I googled ‘epigenetic field’ but the phrase used appears to be ‘field of epigenetics’. How do you see the difference?
Quote

that influences how our genetic material expresses itself, (Lipton, Bruce, Ph.D.; The Biology of Belief ) then shamanic practice can indeed effect physical changes as it works to alter all of those aspects.
What benefit can there be from a practice that deals with aspects of thought and imagination which have zero basis in reality? That is, surely, to encourage belief in fantasy as fact not fiction and to intend to delude those watching to believe something for which, so far, zero objective evidence exists.
Quote

Furthermore, while these changes are to the phenotype, there is ongoing research exploring whether changes in the phenotype can also affect the genotype.
Are you thinking of this in terms of individuals or of populations|?
Quote

Even from this rapid excursion into development and evolution of phenotypic plasticity, it should be apparent that the scope for its inclusion in the mainstream evolutionary theory is enormous.
I take it then that there is not so far any objective evidence and that this is still very much on the fringes of science?
Quote

As to the “gifted shaman,” I see that as a shaman who is complete in their integration of the ordinary and non-ordinary experience, as well as one who maintains strong relationships with the seen and unseen influences over reality for the purpose of negotiating harmony.
Since all such ‘seen and unseen influences’, apart from actual observable ones, remain ideas only, how can a relationship be formed? That belief is rather like a religious one in which people claim a relationship with some god – although here, as with so many things, zero evidence exists for any such being.
By the way, do you have a directanswer to my question about whether you think it would be far more accurate to say that a shaman believes[/i] he knows – i.e. whatever he claims to know rather than that he 'knows'?

Susan

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 3260 Susan Doris 08-Jan-19 16:21
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 397 EvelynRysdyk 10-Jan-19 17:27
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 329 Susan Doris 10-Jan-19 19:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 334 cloister 10-Jan-19 20:11
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 309 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 14:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 320 cloister 11-Jan-19 16:09
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 300 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 19:35
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 318 cloister 11-Jan-19 19:56
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 321 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 00:40
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 343 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 08:59
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 312 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:02
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 305 Susan Doris 11-Jan-19 13:27
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 325 EvelynRysdyk 11-Jan-19 20:33
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 285 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:06
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 317 greengirl5 11-Jan-19 23:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 295 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 06:15
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 291 greengirl5 12-Jan-19 12:24
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 298 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:07
Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 299 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 20:39
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 297 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 14:48
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 279 Itatw70s 21-Jan-19 02:17
Re: Please explain the word ASPECT in your quote. 269 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 06:26
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 306 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 13:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 309 EvelynRysdyk 12-Jan-19 17:04
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 346 Susan Doris 12-Jan-19 18:36
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 293 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 15:01
Red Herrings 300 drrayeye 17-Jan-19 19:05
Re: Red Herrings 302 Itatw70s 17-Jan-19 23:47
Re: Red Herrings 295 Susan Doris 18-Jan-19 09:00
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 313 Susan Doris 19-Jan-19 12:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 284 EvelynRysdyk 19-Jan-19 17:23
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 281 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:27
Spirit 280 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:57
Re: Spirit 287 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 07:11
Re: Spirit 274 greengirl5 21-Jan-19 11:31
Re: Spirit 292 Eddie Larry 21-Jan-19 16:32
Re: Spirit 274 Susan Doris 21-Jan-19 17:08
Re: Spirit 274 greengirl5 21-Jan-19 20:37
Re: Spirit 270 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:24
Re: Spirit 274 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 07:23
Re: Spirit 264 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 07:41
Re: Spirit 267 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 07:57
Re: Spirit 276 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 08:19
Re: Spirit 270 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 09:47
Re: Spirit 275 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 12:40
Re: Spirit 274 greengirl5 22-Jan-19 21:04
Re: Spirit 269 Susan Doris 23-Jan-19 10:25
Re: Spirit 521 greengirl5 23-Jan-19 12:10
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 293 Poster Boy 19-Jan-19 18:16
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 278 EvelynRysdyk 20-Jan-19 00:10
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 284 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 00:39
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 277 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:28
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 273 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 06:19
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 273 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 09:31
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 276 Susan Doris 20-Jan-19 10:45
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 284 greengirl5 20-Jan-19 20:42
Re: the article by Evelyn rysdyk 288 Poster Boy 20-Jan-19 17:02
And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 290 Itatw70s 22-Jan-19 02:04
Re: And the intellectual marathon continues, day after day, hour after hour, moment to moment.... 279 Susan Doris 22-Jan-19 06:08


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.