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Hi Andrew,
No, I didn’t know about Cepheus or the idea that those four symbols were those of a demon. This is certainly post-Sumerian, at least my notion of Sumer which is prior to the start of the cuneiform period. It becomes confusing because we’re obliged to use these all-encompassing names. As I said, my only speciality is the original monosyllabic language. This has led me, through a long text translation, to a pagan world, a very human one, which is not isolated from the stuff we know already from elsewhere - as academic or Sitchin’s texts would have it. It’s a story that encompasses Egypt with the feather of truth, mixing Odysseus with Pan tied to the ship’s mast, and tells the Genesis stories of the destruction of the tower, of Noah and the ark before the bible version. Along the way, it gives us the origins of the Greek myths and the etymology of countless (PIE) words used today. There are no borders. Only the framework of time. The tablets date to 2500 BC but it’s already just repetition. Most important of all, the world before Babel was steeped in shamanism, in questions of duality, and both Taoism and Buddhism take their sources there. It’s all in the texts. It’s all been suppressed.

You’re right to see that the birds could be of completely different types. My preference for the overall and enduring title of the bird associated with shamanism would be HU-A. In my text, it was written A-HU, water and bird, the waterbird, but there are no fast and hard rules. And it is most certainly to be linked to the Milky Way.

The same possibility of inverted syllables applies to Gobekli. I want to weep when I see that the tourism sites are now calling it “Potbelly Hill” without mention of its name. Like calling Big Ben the “old tower”. We discover a site many thousands of years old, and then toss aside its equally ancient name. That’s called throwing the baby out with the bath water. I’m working on restitution.

I’m sure you know far more about the constellations than me. My knowledge has been eclectic from the start of this. I work outwards from the symbols. They resonate with ships, sailors, masts and rigging so no surprise that the sky is in there too. If you have names you want to explore further, let me know. UD KA DUH A doesn’t help: sun/day/dry, mouth/word/voice, to spread/chest, flow/water. Nothing to be made of it without context, I’m afraid; but the context of extreme weather would create enemies and perhaps monsters.

You have gone way back in time, Andrew. The stories are confused unless you look for them before Babel but analysing the names might still be of use. You mention Chemi. That might be one, right there! Look for CEM on ePSD. The ‘C’ gives the equivalent sound to Š. Do you have any trace of the etymology? I wouldn't like to be caught looking for ancient history in Denis!

Take care,
Madeleine

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The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 2111 Andrew Collins Author 03-Jul-18 17:29
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 195 SallyA 04-Jul-18 19:44
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 180 Andrew Collins Author 04-Jul-18 21:51
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 200 michael seabrook 04-Jul-18 21:56
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 167 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:28
Paranormalist 168 greengirl5 06-Jul-18 00:04
Re: Paranormalist 156 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 22:52
Re: Paranormalist 132 greengirl5 07-Jul-18 23:36
Re: Paranormalist 122 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 15:44
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 141 michael seabrook 06-Jul-18 20:55
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 142 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 22:59
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 124 michael seabrook 06-Jul-18 23:13
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 125 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:25
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 176 SallyA 05-Jul-18 00:57
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? .. Mod help, please .. 168 SallyA 05-Jul-18 01:27
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? .. Mod help, please .. 154 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:45
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 156 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:42
More snakes 205 Robert Jameson 05-Jul-18 06:26
Re: More snakes 156 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:54
Re: More snakes 137 Robert Jameson 06-Jul-18 13:59
Re: More snakes 140 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:11
Re: More snakes 126 drrayeye 07-Jul-18 00:29
Re: More snakes 122 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 15:47
Re: More snakes 112 Robert Jameson 08-Jul-18 17:07
Re: the pyramids of Giza, built, how? 125 SallyA 08-Jul-18 23:48
Re: the pyramids of Giza, built, how? 119 Andrew Collins Author 09-Jul-18 20:40
Re: More snakes 116 Andrew Collins Author 09-Jul-18 20:30
Sperm cells and microscopes 154 greengirl5 05-Jul-18 23:41
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" from the Dream Time, her two companions, and her master . . 129 SallyA 06-Jul-18 02:38
Re: Yeti ... are actual, have rather odd eyes and are fast and very capable 126 SallyA 06-Jul-18 02:49
Re: Yeti ... source page: 131 SallyA 06-Jul-18 03:05
Re: Yeti ... source page: 122 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:24
Re: Yeti ... are actual, have rather odd eyes and are fast and very capable 122 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:26
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" from the Dream Time, her two companions, and her master . . 139 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:23
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" ... images of House of Sokar . . 3 serpents as on Gobekli pillar: 128 SallyA 17-Jul-18 18:14
Re: O.T., . . Looking for the BIG picture, the temporal ghestalts . . 131 SallyA 17-Jul-18 19:12
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" ... images of House of Sokar . . 3 serpents as on Gobekli pillar: 110 Andrew Collins Author 23-Jul-18 13:27
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" ... images of House of Sokar . . 3 serpents as on Gobekli pillar: 161 SallyA 24-Jul-18 16:57
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 128 Robert Jameson 06-Jul-18 14:02
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 127 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:27
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 110 michael seabrook 08-Jul-18 07:22
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 107 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 15:51
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 122 michael seabrook 08-Jul-18 07:02
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 116 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 15:53
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 112 Robert Jameson 08-Jul-18 17:49
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 102 SallyA 09-Jul-18 00:20
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 107 Robert Jameson 09-Jul-18 00:40
Yes, how? 112 greengirl5 09-Jul-18 01:48
Re: Yes, how? 112 Robert Jameson 09-Jul-18 03:17
Re: Yes, how? 108 greengirl5 09-Jul-18 05:35
Re: Yes, how? 125 Robert Jameson 09-Jul-18 12:27
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 114 Andrew Collins Author 09-Jul-18 20:44
Crick, Watson and accuracy . . thank you, amended . . . 102 SallyA 11-Jul-18 16:05
Re: Crick, Watson and accuracy . . thank you, amended . . . 105 Andrew Collins Author 11-Jul-18 17:35
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 113 Andrew Collins Author 09-Jul-18 20:38
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 118 Robert Jameson 10-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 114 Andrew Collins Author 11-Jul-18 17:38
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Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 99 Andrew Collins Author 13-Jul-18 22:18
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Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 132 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:14
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 120 greengirl5 07-Jul-18 14:01
Re: Sperm cells and microscopes 109 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 15:56
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 166 drrayeye 05-Jul-18 06:35
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 154 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:59
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 140 SallyA 06-Jul-18 03:22
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 126 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:40
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: Aesir & Vanir, and . . . 109 SallyA 09-Jul-18 00:32
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: Aesir & Vanir, and . . . 122 Andrew Collins Author 09-Jul-18 20:37
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: Agree 100%, . . Odin from general vicinity of Anatolia . . NM 106 SallyA 10-Jul-18 15:31
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: Agree 100%, . . Odin from general vicinity of Anatolia . . NM 114 Andrew Collins Author 11-Jul-18 17:41
Balanced speculation 128 drrayeye 06-Jul-18 18:38
Re: Balanced speculation 118 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:43
Re: Balanced speculation 135 drrayeye 07-Jul-18 00:22
Re: Balanced speculation 115 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 16:09
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Re: The Black Swan 144 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 16:16
Re: The Black Swan 115 greengirl5 09-Jul-18 02:03
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 127 jazzmumbles 08-Jul-18 03:15
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 115 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 16:25
The Idigna Bird and Kal 136 MDaines 08-Jul-18 16:49
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Kailasa and swans 124 drew 09-Jul-18 02:18
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Re: Kailasa . . pardon, rebounding, and centering . . 125 SallyA 09-Jul-18 18:38
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