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Ea comes from E₂ A, temple and water, the water temple or, more obviously, water tower. That’s the symbolism of the Sumerian seals that show a “god” with water coming out of his shoulders, personification of a mountain with two river sources. Enki is more modern as I’ve mentioned in posts here but can also be linked to Ea. AN EN KI, where suffix KI means place, reads “the place where sky ends” and can also be read as “the place between sky and Earth. I translate it to “sky-end”. That's why these terms can easily be associated with mountain tops and river sources.

The Tigris became known as Idigna at a later date if at all. If I'm right, it does indeed refer to a place between the headwaters and therefore to the region of Gobekli Tepe. The name breaks down into four symbols that I’ve begun to analyse. If you want to see IDIGNA for yourself, look for it on CDLI under references P000835 or P006135. The second is probably a later version and shows the bird without a head which is also significant. After that period, it becomes increasingly abstract as with all Sumerian symbols.

The bird in question is probably a wild goose. There are many mentions of birds in the texts and several different symbols. They are all related to shamanism. But the essential point is in the stripes of the body that, in my translation, are said to join together to create a rope to the sky; perhaps part of the scene on Pillar 43?

The symbol DAR is very clear. It actually looks like a duck with its foot tucked up, and is given as “speckled” on ePSD. I have looked in vain for the swan as we know it either in the form of a symbol or in the name. The only thing I find is SIG which has the meaning of “low or quiet voice” with KA. This is the voice of the character who warns Noah of impending disaster. It’s given as “weak” on ePSD, perhaps a connection to the swan song. It’s all in the texts and that one dates to at least 2500 BC. (people only know academia and Sitchin) Anyway, Cygnus will likely be the wild goose.

As for KALA, we agree. The only extra titbit is that it can be found on ePSD under KAL/KALA/LAMMA, that it has its own ancient symbol, a pair of wings, and that you can ask it questions in the museum!

Madeleine

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The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 3454 Andrew Collins Author 03-Jul-18 17:29
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 537 SallyA 04-Jul-18 19:44
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 516 Andrew Collins Author 04-Jul-18 21:51
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 569 michael seabrook 04-Jul-18 21:56
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 514 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:28
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Re: Paranormalist 451 greengirl5 07-Jul-18 23:36
Re: Paranormalist 445 Andrew Collins Author 08-Jul-18 15:44
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 487 michael seabrook 06-Jul-18 20:55
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 473 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 22:59
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 424 michael seabrook 06-Jul-18 23:13
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 442 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:25
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 509 SallyA 05-Jul-18 00:57
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? .. Mod help, please .. 514 SallyA 05-Jul-18 01:27
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? .. Mod help, please .. 488 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:45
Re: The Denisovan Legacy: the True Origins of Civilization? 479 Andrew Collins Author 05-Jul-18 21:42
More snakes 704 Robert Jameson 05-Jul-18 06:26
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Re: More snakes 450 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:11
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Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" from the Dream Time, her two companions, and her master . . 460 SallyA 06-Jul-18 02:38
Re: Yeti ... are actual, have rather odd eyes and are fast and very capable 436 SallyA 06-Jul-18 02:49
Re: Yeti ... source page: 434 SallyA 06-Jul-18 03:05
Re: Yeti ... source page: 447 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:24
Re: Yeti ... are actual, have rather odd eyes and are fast and very capable 433 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:26
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" from the Dream Time, her two companions, and her master . . 463 Andrew Collins Author 06-Jul-18 23:23
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" ... images of House of Sokar . . 3 serpents as on Gobekli pillar: 454 SallyA 17-Jul-18 18:14
Re: O.T., . . Looking for the BIG picture, the temporal ghestalts . . 466 SallyA 17-Jul-18 19:12
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" ... images of House of Sokar . . 3 serpents as on Gobekli pillar: 428 Andrew Collins Author 23-Jul-18 13:27
Re: Serpents, "THE Serpent of Creation" ... images of House of Sokar . . 3 serpents as on Gobekli pillar: 642 SallyA 24-Jul-18 16:57
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Yes, how? 413 greengirl5 09-Jul-18 01:48
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Crick, Watson and accuracy . . thank you, amended . . . 418 SallyA 11-Jul-18 16:05
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