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Edmond,

"if only “traits and disorders” go with genetic material, then culture is not genetic. Thus you have to separate migration from culture."

Funny that the geneticists don't think so. Hohokam, Anasazi, Uto-Aztecan (which includes Hopi et al.) were/are discrete cultures.

I don't know which book of mine you read, but I am guessing it was The Orion Zone, published in 2006. My most recent book deals the most with "migration and diffusion" (to cite the name of a website).

"Please explain why there are about sixteen kivas on Gobekli Tepe hill, including under-floor features, benches, iconography, very similar to Hopi kivas?"

I do not write about Gobekli Tepe per se, it is such a archaeological behemoth, but I do deal with the Tuareg genetic and architectural influences on the Hopi. From Journey of the Serpent People:

Some would say it is far-fetched to link the Hopi and other tribes of the American Southwest with the Berber of North Africa. There does, however, seem to be a number of genetic connections. In Chapter 4, I briefly discussed human lymphocyte antigens (HLAs), which are basically proteins on white blood cells that produce antibodies. Physical anthropologist James L. Guthrie talks about “’non-Indian’ HLAs” that are rare in America but found more commonly in other parts of the world. One of these antigens is B*21.

“In America 84% of occurrences are clustered in four Uto-Aztecan populations (Papago, Pima, Nahua, and a Central Amerind composite [namely, Hopi, Tewa, Keres, and unspecified ‘Pueblo’, plus Ute, Mohave, Chemihuevi, Huichol, Yaqui, Mixtec, Zapotec et al.]). The Papago [Tohono O’odham] have the fourth highest frequency in the world, comparable to the Tuaregs and Berbers.”

Guthrie attributes this to “ancient interhemispheric mobility,” or cultural diffusionism.

My book The Kivas of Heaven previously discussed a number of correspondences between the Hopi and the Berber tribe of North Africa, including symbols with the same shape as well as similar architectural structures. For instance, a Berber symbol of two triangles with their apexes touching means “crow’s beak,” whereas the same Hopi symbol means warfare. (The Hopi “crow’s foot” petroglyph symbolizes war.) In addition, the Hopi underground ceremonial chamber called a kiva, which was originally circular, greatly resembles the Berber round pit-domicile found in southern Tunisia. Furthermore, Hopi stone and adobe pueblos are comparable in construction to Berber villages. The similarity extends to the cliff dwellers of each culture, as well as to the Tellem tribe of pygmies, a precursor to the Dogon on the Bandiagara Escarpment of Mali.

Ethnologist and archaeologist Jesse Walter Fewkes remarks in this context: “It is not too great a stretch of the imagination to fancy that the former inhabitants of the Old Caves in the black lava hills that surround the San Francisco mountains near Flagstaff, and those in the neighborhood of the Black Falls, Arizona, may also, like the Berbers of the Atlas mountains in Morocco, have retired in winter for warmth to their ‘cellar like vaults beneath their houses.’ They likewise built close together, partly for warmth, partly for defense.”

"A circle with a cross does not mean “street, town intersection' in Egyptian, nor San or Khoe or Indian iconography."

Sure as heck does. Please consult your Budge hieroglyphic dictionary.

"see Blasi et al" Citation, if you will.

"So culture is all nurture, not nature?"

The variables of nature versus nurture are hard to quantify. You seem to opt mostly for the former. Everything is innate; nothing is learned. Are you really saying that nothing or very little is shared when discrete cultures bump into each other? Ain't you never heard, for instance, of Spanglish? It's a thing here on the US southern border where I live.

" I have found compulsive subconscious expression of natural structure in art and building sites, to contain about 100 options, in five distinct layers, of which about 60% of very specific options are always expressed, and always in very specific positions. Always."

That's a lot to chew on. Never say "always." It will get you in trouble touting absolutes.

" If you want to study culture instead of migration, then isolating hard-wired aspects of behaviour, such as elements in art, myth, ritual, language and perception, is a big deal."

The trouble is: migrations with their spatio-temporal idiosyncracies bring distinctive cultures. For instance, the DNA of Navajo and Hopi tribes, living side by side in Arizona, is completely different (or was until more recent admixture). And the cultures couldn't be more different.

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Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 2453 gadavid 10-Apr-18 22:17
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 493 Edmond 14-Apr-18 09:47
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 451 gadavid 15-Apr-18 20:23
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 484 Edmond 16-Apr-18 12:53
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 447 gadavid 17-Apr-18 19:26
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 432 gadavid 17-Apr-18 23:34
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 443 Edmond 18-Apr-18 10:00
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 433 gadavid 18-Apr-18 22:18
Being hard wired 426 drrayeye 19-Apr-18 06:24
Re: Being hard wired 437 Edmond 19-Apr-18 08:54
Re: Being hard wired 409 Aine 19-Apr-18 12:34
The scientific literature 439 drrayeye 19-Apr-18 13:26
Re: Being hard wired 451 gadavid 19-Apr-18 22:54
Re: Being hard wired 421 gadavid 19-Apr-18 23:18
Re: Being hard wired 443 Edmond 20-Apr-18 07:32
If you want tobe taken seriously by scientists 432 drrayeye 20-Apr-18 15:22
Re: Being hard wired 416 Eddie Larry 20-Apr-18 16:58
Re: Being hard wired 417 gadavid 21-Apr-18 05:08
Re: Being hard wired 413 Edmond 21-Apr-18 14:53
Re: Being hard wired 405 Eddie Larry 21-Apr-18 17:27
Re: Being hard wired 396 gadavid 22-Apr-18 21:52
Re: Being hard wired 444 gadavid 22-Apr-18 22:01
Re: Being hard wired 408 Edmond 23-Apr-18 09:29
Re: Being hard wired 439 gadavid 23-Apr-18 22:21
Re: Being hard wired 395 Edmond 24-Apr-18 10:30
Re: Being hard wired 448 gadavid 24-Apr-18 23:23
Re: Being hard wired 485 Edmond 25-Apr-18 09:21
Re: Being a hard wired pain 415 MDaines 25-Apr-18 10:57
Re: Being hard wired 658 gadavid 25-Apr-18 19:38
Re: Being hard wired 434 Eddie Larry 19-Apr-18 18:31
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 480 Poster Boy 14-Apr-18 16:56
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 437 gadavid 16-Apr-18 00:15
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 461 drrayeye 17-Apr-18 21:56
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 419 gadavid 17-Apr-18 23:19
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 444 drrayeye 18-Apr-18 08:09
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 425 gadavid 18-Apr-18 22:30
Re: Cultural Diffusionism vs. Cultural Isolationism 423 drrayeye 19-Apr-18 05:26
To disprove a theory, all that is needed is a single true counter factual 401 Race Jackson 24-Apr-18 00:06
Re: To disprove a theory, all that is needed is a single true counter factual 411 Edmond 24-Apr-18 10:39


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