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SkinwalkerScrooge Wrote:
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> Great points about Vitamin D. Sun exposure is the
> crucial factor.
>
> "A giant with prognathism has excess growth
> hormone until proved otherwise "
>
> If I quote Dr. Don Dragoo, from "Mounds for the
> dead an analysis of the adena culture" 1958- Page
> 72, giving the cranial features of the Adena
> people:
>
> "The face was large both in length and breadth and
> there was moderate alveolar prognathism. The chin
> was prominent and broad with bilateral eminences
> usually present. The cheek bones were large with
> pronounced lateral projections. The stature was
> medium to tall and the bones were heavy with
> prominent areas for muscle attachment. The large
> male found in subfloor tomb F .28 was exceptional
> in height. Measurements taken of the skeleton
> while still in the grave indicated an individual
> approximately 7.2 feet tall. He would have been a
> splendid figure in any society and the darling of
> a primitive basketball team. In all respects the
> Cresap Mound skeletal material conforms to the
> physical type of the Kentucky and Ohio Adena
> mounds as previously described by Snow (1957, p.
> 47-60). Of the 54 burials, grave objects were
> found in association with 34 of them. Red ocher
> was present with 31 burials."
>
> The alveolar prognathism appears to have been a
> genetic trait, as does the tall to very tall
> stature.
>
> "It is no little surprise perhaps to conclude that
> the Adena people stand alone and have few
> counterparts in the usual skeletal series of
> archeological origin. One of the outstanding and
> un-Indian like traits present among the Adena
> people is their prominent and often bilateral
> chins. This characteristic structure has been
> noted before (Webb and Snow 1945, p. 254, 255, and
> illustrations), and it may be observed in the
> illustrations of most Adena skulls. One of the
> skulls from the Dover Mound, Burial 25 (that of a
> very large, robust, middle-aged man), represents a
> bilateral chin with a width of 52 mm. (2.05
> inches)..." The Dover Mound - Page 38, William S.
> Webb, ā€ˇCharles E. Snow
>
> From reading Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer's
> book, and articles on-line, I get the impression
> these physical features were not so much
> pathological, as they were a racial or genetic
> variant of existing Native American peoples of the
> time, these tall honored burials of powerful or
> important peoples of the Adena culture, I think
> show us something more akin to the modern Dinka,
> or Watusi of Africa, (very tall tribal stature,
> cranial deformation etc.) rather than a few select
> burials of acromegalics or the very rare
> individual with gigantism. There are just too many
> of these skeletons in the literature, from
> Smithsonian field reports onwards, to
> statistically account for incidence of gigantism.
> Perhaps the most glaring reality, is also the fact
> no evidence of pathology such as acromegaly or
> gigantism was ever detected (evidence of pituitary
> tumors in the skulls etc) in these skeletons
> recovered in the 1950's, whereas occasional
> skeletons of persons only 3-1/2 feet tall, who had
> achondroplasia have been recorded in 1950's digs
> in Georgia. Clinical features that could readily
> be detected I think, would have been spotted on
> these very tall mound skeletons, but the general
> descriptions of these robust, large chinned, tall
> stature people seems to have been more of a
> genetic trait than a one off sort of thing. It
> seems more likely that these were very large,
> healthy robust people living a more primitive,
> foraging and hunting lifestyle.

And this is where DNA would really be nice. It's possible that if the Tall Ones did NOT suffer from gigantism and acromegaly, then they could have a common ancestor. Height is an inheritable trait, but you need proper nutrition and a lack of disease to reach true genetic potential. At some point, though, height would stabilize closer to the mean through reproduction.

The articles mention several Adena--men and women both--at over six feet. For a population that apparently averaged 5.5 feet for males (5.0 ish for women) even that is impressive.

Edit: I was wondering about dwarfs. Any population of any size has just as many small and short people as they do very tall people. That type of dwarfism is inherited, I believe, and they have their own list of physical problems.

It just goes to show that those at either end of the spectrum don't fare very well.

In many ancient cultures, dwarfs were revered as much as tall people.

1984 was a warning, not a how-to guide.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10-Mar-18 14:25 by Aine.

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The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 2271 Jason Jarrell 05-Mar-18 17:37
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 369 Susan Doris 06-Mar-18 06:01
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 399 drdavidanderson 06-Mar-18 10:15
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 392 Susan Doris 06-Mar-18 12:48
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 367 Aine 07-Mar-18 03:44
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 369 Jason Jarrell 07-Mar-18 04:12
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 368 Aine 07-Mar-18 04:36
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 366 Jason Jarrell 07-Mar-18 05:09
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 351 Aine 07-Mar-18 13:40
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 363 Jason Jarrell 07-Mar-18 18:26
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 359 Aine 07-Mar-18 21:41
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 388 Jason Jarrell 08-Mar-18 00:18
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 376 Aine 08-Mar-18 22:52
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 366 Aine 07-Mar-18 03:46
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 361 Susan Doris 07-Mar-18 05:59
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 373 Jason Jarrell 07-Mar-18 07:55
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 353 Aine 07-Mar-18 13:18
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 362 Susan Doris 07-Mar-18 14:39
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 364 SkinwalkerScrooge 09-Mar-18 19:51
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 344 Susan Doris 10-Mar-18 06:03
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 357 drdavidanderson 10-Mar-18 07:52
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 348 Susan Doris 10-Mar-18 08:40
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 349 SkinwalkerScrooge 10-Mar-18 09:09
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 358 Aine 10-Mar-18 13:49
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 347 Jason Jarrell 10-Mar-18 21:04
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 349 Aine 10-Mar-18 13:31
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 347 Aine 10-Mar-18 13:16
Re: The Socio-Political Structure of Adena Societies 639 SkinwalkerScrooge 11-Mar-18 05:46


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