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drrayeye Wrote:
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> Duane,
>
> Communication doesn't have to happen inside the
> hive, but the perception of the waggle dance by
> another bee seems to me to still be a mystery.

if the bees do not communicate in the hive, where do they "communicate"?
at the bar down the street?

your video also sezs that the bees are able to tell direction by polarized light <<<<EM waves>>>>
ie, "electrical"
the bees also see the flowers in the ultraviolet, another <<<EM wave>>>> ie, electrical
the bees collect pollen by "static cling", another electrical effect
[www.youtube.com]

> The polen seeking behavior is clearly driven by
> day/night cycles. The best nectar is probably
> available in the first morning hours. I don't
> think that the communication is electrical.

getting back to the topic of the AOM

your video claims the bees are able to tell where the sun in in the sky even after hours in the dark hive
and can account for the season changes
the scientists claim that the bees have a compass, internal clocks and calendar
all within their little brain, but neglect to show where it is located

(since they are able to do these things, the assumption is that they must have a compass, clock and calendar)

the alternative is that these things are external
and the bee's brain is analogous to a cat whisker radio
[www.electronics-notes.com]

a simple device capable of translating outside signals
you don't need a complex device to receive complex signals


bees and other insects have antennae capable of broadcasting and receiving "EM signals"
[www.worldacademicunion.com]
[www.sciencedirect.com]







> Here's an alternative.
>
> Pheromones may play a key role in providing a
> destination code for the trip and an excitation
> mechanism for other bees. A bee that receives the
> pheromone becomes a potential "traveler bee."
> Then, maybe the pheromone in play limits the
> options so that a new traveler bee only needs a
> piece of the waggle dance to navigate. For
> example, direction (clockwise vs.
> counterclockwise) and circle vs. figure 8 might be
> enough. That information might be "picked up" by
> perceived movement (touch) in the hive-not by
> vision. With that information and the pheromone
> target, the traveler bee might have enough
> navigation information to find the flower and the
> nectar.
>
> Ray

Ray,

Just like some refuse to "believe" anything beyond the physical (lest religion creeps in)
some refuse to "believe" anything "electric" (lest EU creeps in)
you can have pre-physical, non-physical without having a god
and you can have electrical effects without having a EU

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